So many terrible takes in this thread...will have to say calling Bob Dylan overrated takes the cake. That is all time bad.
Most overrated bands/artists
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This may be the craziest take I've ever seen. Zeppelin music doesn't hold up to the ages?? Are you serious? So why do people still listen to their music religiously nearly 50 years later? You can walk into nearly any high school/junior high school and see kids wearing Zeppelin shirts to this day. But their music doesn't stand the ages? Haha ok dude. Led Zeppelin is the GOAT. And Page as the third best guitarist in the yardbirds? While I agree Clapton was a better overall musician, Page takes the cake as far as best guitarist. Not even really that close IMO.
Negative opinions about the Beatles and Dylan is a good litmus test for ignorance.
Yes, that AIC video is embarrassing, but tell me Facelift, Sap and Jar of Flies aren't awesome albums.
Truth is, none of the "grunge" bands sounded the same. It was all media created. Nirvana was punk/pop, Pearl Jam was more classic/arena rock, AIC was rock/metal...etc. None of them liked the label, they all just considered themselves Rock and Roll bands.
I like them all (though probably PJ the least) but maybe I'm too protective of the sounds I grew up with.
Yes, that AIC video is embarrassing, but tell me Facelift, Sap and Jar of Flies aren't awesome albums.
Truth is, none of the "grunge" bands sounded the same. It was all media created. Nirvana was punk/pop, Pearl Jam was more classic/arena rock, AIC was rock/metal...etc. None of them liked the label, they all just considered themselves Rock and Roll bands.
I like them all (though probably PJ the least) but maybe I'm too protective of the sounds I grew up with.
If not for drugs, Bob Dylan would never have sold one record. Plus, he's an epic prick...doesn't speak to his kids and recently called out Merle Haggard for no reason. F him
Wow, that's the dumbest thing I've ever read. I mean IQ of 60-70 bad.
Ok, dumbass, the guy changed the culture, the history, the music of his time multiple times and is considered by almost everyone as top 3 most influential artists of the 20th century. He inspired 100s of 1000s of bands, whose musical influenced pretty much every artist in the 60s and 70s, and whose poetry would change a generation. Ivy League colleges have whole classes dedicated to explaining his influence.
Yet, drugs is your reply.
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Jimmy Page couldn't hold Jeff Beck's guitar pick and Clapton were all Yardbirds guitarists there.
Led does not hold up, sorry fun music but you nailed, I loved AC DC and Led in High School. Honestly not very good just as I said. Jimmy Page was more show than substance, I enjoy hearing for what they are, not great musicianship, good high energy type stuff.
The Who and Led are the group everyone thinks they should like to be cool. Fun music, more High school love than older. Sorry.
you really seem insecure or confused about something
did bowie pretend to be a tough guy, like sinatra?
(i will admit i do think that corny prick and his archaic stylized masculinity are overrated. all the onstage jokes about drinking--you're 45 years old, hoss. your drinking isn't shocking to anyone)
Crazy, not sure it was for no reason. You listen to Bob's show or when it first came out, he played a ton of Merle's songs. The Nashville scene in 69 was not that kind to Bob, a lot of the big stars of that era including Merle and Tom T Hall who he also called out. They were not real big fans of his or his songs, mostly they did not understand him or his songs. He was not a protester, he was not civil rights type guy who marched, he was not politically active. His songs had civil rights in them like Blowing in the Wind or My Back Pages. He did not have a cause per say. It simply made the Left Wing/ Chicago 7 type guys furious. They knew he must be a lefty and why will he not come out and protest etc. Bob is interesting guy. I am not sure about family relationships.
Dylan revolutionized Rock and Roll when he went Electric, it was the Chuck Berry/ Little Richard Moment that influenced Beatles-stones, Dylan influenced everyone that came after and were his contemporaries. The Beatles were writing about I want to Hold your Hand and 8 Days a week. HWY 61 revisited was groundbreaker.
Bands wrote their own songs, wrote their feelings, Bruce, U2, everyone was influenced by Dylan going forward.
Tom T and apparently Merle made comments back then that Dylan was told about, maybe true maybe not. Kris Kristofferson and Johny Cash were all applauded by Bob.
Nah...as long as Maggot Brain and mind-altering drugs exist, all Music doesn't suck.
Some of the guys in Pearl Jam probably did wear spandex. They were an extension of Mother Love Bone which I feel was essentially cock rock. You sound like a metal guy though which is why you probably gravitate toward AIC. Nirvana, like the Melvins, TAD, Mudhoney, were much more punk influenced. Comparing AIC to Nirvana, in my opinion, is like comparing apples to oranges. Two different philosophies. I like a few AIC songs. I just don't like their sound or approach. Pixies is my favorite band of all time so naturally I gravitate toward Nirvana.
Good take, but as much as I admire the Pixies, I'll match the Clash AND the Smiths up with them. And kudos for bringing up Mother Love Bone...that wild bunch should be in the Underrated thread but Andrew Wood's passing crushed their potential.
There was a small music store in Rockford, Illinois, wish I could remember the name, but it had a sign over the door that said "Music: everything you like sucks."
Whenever discussions like this come up, I always think of that sign I saw as a kid.
Love The Smiths. I like The Clash but don't love them. London Calling is an iconic and important work but I just didn't fall in love with it. Still a great band though. MLB was a solid band but again not my cup of tea.
It seems like we have a lot of opinions on what people deem as overrated bands or artists based on their own preference in music. Many people listed bands like The Beatles, Pink Floyd and Rush but really like artists like Dr Dre or Eminem because they are into that type of music and not the other.
I am in the opposite on this. I love Rush and Pink Floyd. They are great musicians who wrote a lot of great songs that have stood the test of time. That is my personal preference. If some people don't like it, that's their opinion. I don't like rap or hip hop. It all sounds the same to me. But that's my own opinion.
Rant over.
I am in the opposite on this. I love Rush and Pink Floyd. They are great musicians who wrote a lot of great songs that have stood the test of time. That is my personal preference. If some people don't like it, that's their opinion. I don't like rap or hip hop. It all sounds the same to me. But that's my own opinion.
Rant over.
That's cool. I'm blessed in that I'm a fan of Music. I'll listen to Dre today, and wake up tomorrow and play 'Tom Sawyer" on my way to work. Matter of fact, this just popped up in my head...how many 55 yr old black guys will admit to listening to Marilyn Manson??????
My second favorite B-side of all time next to Sly & The Family Stone's "Everybody Is A Star"
What is most interesting about this thread is how people are downing certain bands or genres of music but most are not listing the bands or artists that they do like. If you don't like Zeppelin, The Who or Nirvana that's okay. But just saying that they suck without telling us who you think doesn't suck is meaningless.
I'm 56 years old and grew up on 60's, 70's and 80's rock and roll. I think almost all newer music sucks but I do like bands like The Killers, Weezer, AFI, Green Day etc. It is all just a matter of opinion.
I'm 56 years old and grew up on 60's, 70's and 80's rock and roll. I think almost all newer music sucks but I do like bands like The Killers, Weezer, AFI, Green Day etc. It is all just a matter of opinion.
The band that we started moshing to before the assholes and cowards took advantage of the pit:
In the middle of making my wife a mix cd, and this song and maybe Reignition are on there.
The Beatles crowd just kills me. They yap about how "influential" the Beatles were without even understanding the true nature of exactly what is influential to musicians instead of pimply faced teens clinging to their album covers because they're too damned ugly to go out and so much of a band nerd that they actually dupe themselves into thinking Paul McCartney is telling them subliminally to pick the clarinet. Oh, the BEATLES are so "influential."
Puke. What a joke.
You know what music/artist exemplifies true MUSICAL influence over other actual artists and who's patented beat still echoes in everything from U2 to Bananarama and that has influenced virtually every guitar player born post 1955? No, not Jimi Hendrix (although that would be a helluva lot better pick that the Beatles)? Well here is a hint and note this is probably the greatest single live performance in the history of music that everyone from Tom Petty to Ace Frehley admits directly influence them picking up a guitar:
Bo Diddley is the most influential artist of last century. His beat is still widely copied and used across the music industry. His style has been copied by every guitar player that is alive today. There is nobody that actually is credited more with actually influencing musicians than Bo Diddley is. Nobody. Variations of the Bo Diddley beat will still be used 100 years from now. If you actually know a real musician ask them who is more influential. The Beatles are for smarmy know-nothings that talk about what a great picture "Avatar" was and that hung out after band practice trying to recruit members for their horrible garage band.
Shut up about the Beatles. Learn the truth. Stop being a nerd. Nobody that actually knows how to play music gives two flips about the Beatles they just genuflect as a nod to the frothing masses. Nobody on earth ever picked up a guitar because of the Beatles. Michael Jackson doesn't moonwalk because of the Beatles (watch Bo moonwalk with the guitar in the above clip 20 years before MJ ever dreamed of it). Band nerds don't count. Nobody cares who influenced you to drink your first Pabst Blue Ribbon and watch Heavy Metal with your little trumbone. Learn the game, fools.
You will be stunned if you knew the number of songs to this day that still use a beat that Bo Diddley invented. The Beatles shrink to cowering indifference to the giant shadow Bo Friggen Diddley casts over the music industry. A real titan that you chumps probably don't even realize existed.
Puke. What a joke.
You know what music/artist exemplifies true MUSICAL influence over other actual artists and who's patented beat still echoes in everything from U2 to Bananarama and that has influenced virtually every guitar player born post 1955? No, not Jimi Hendrix (although that would be a helluva lot better pick that the Beatles)? Well here is a hint and note this is probably the greatest single live performance in the history of music that everyone from Tom Petty to Ace Frehley admits directly influence them picking up a guitar:
Bo Diddley is the most influential artist of last century. His beat is still widely copied and used across the music industry. His style has been copied by every guitar player that is alive today. There is nobody that actually is credited more with actually influencing musicians than Bo Diddley is. Nobody. Variations of the Bo Diddley beat will still be used 100 years from now. If you actually know a real musician ask them who is more influential. The Beatles are for smarmy know-nothings that talk about what a great picture "Avatar" was and that hung out after band practice trying to recruit members for their horrible garage band.
Shut up about the Beatles. Learn the truth. Stop being a nerd. Nobody that actually knows how to play music gives two flips about the Beatles they just genuflect as a nod to the frothing masses. Nobody on earth ever picked up a guitar because of the Beatles. Michael Jackson doesn't moonwalk because of the Beatles (watch Bo moonwalk with the guitar in the above clip 20 years before MJ ever dreamed of it). Band nerds don't count. Nobody cares who influenced you to drink your first Pabst Blue Ribbon and watch Heavy Metal with your little trumbone. Learn the game, fools.
You will be stunned if you knew the number of songs to this day that still use a beat that Bo Diddley invented. The Beatles shrink to cowering indifference to the giant shadow Bo Friggen Diddley casts over the music industry. A real titan that you chumps probably don't even realize existed.
The poll was for band. No doubt that Bo Diddley was up there. He was not the most influential or more influential than Muddy Waters, Howling Wolf, T Bone Walker, Robert Johnson, Ray Charles, and BB and Freddie King, Albert King.
Bo Diddley was the most influential guy to Everly Brothers and Buddy Holley,
Bo was as influential as Chuck Berry and Little Richard, Bo added the rhythmic African sound to the Blues.
No doubt Bo Diddley was awesome.
You want me to put the influences of Muddy Waters, I mean the Rolling Stones named their damn band after him, Muddy Waters is the most influential artist of the last half of 20th century, Clapton and Dylan. BB King, ABB, Buddy Guy.
I would put all these guys on the Mt. Rushmore of Popular music, you cannot have music of 60's-2016 without Bo Diddley. Bo Diddley definitely deserves his props, he was so different. No one is saying he is not at least no me, Bo is not more important as the other guys but just as important, all were influential.
I deleted my post because in a way you are trying to give Bo his props. Nothing outrages me more than to hear tired old talk about how influential the Beatles were when nobody can name a single artist that ever picked up a guitar because of Paul McCartney or that ever played the drums because of Ringo Star.
Also, I don't think you are properly weighing the Bo Diddley Beat's impact to this day on modern music. It is still widely used across the industry and is referred to by artists as such.
And by the way, I challenge anyone to post a better live performance than the one I posted of Bo above. The raw seething power of that performance is so blistering that it defies explanation. Bo was the man. That really is all you can say about it. When he sucks his jaws in during the 2nd song and forgets the crowd and just goes off, that is pure rock n roll as ever was poured out of a human being.
There has never been a more raw primal sexual performance than that. Bo and those girls burnt that house down and did not give a single f*&%*.
There has never been a more raw primal sexual performance than that. Bo and those girls burnt that house down and did not give a single f*&%*.
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Alice N' Chains was not Alice in Chains. Layne Staley was in both and stole the name from the first group to use with the new one.
This is why so many hipsters listen to bands nobody has ever heard of. They get to bash everybody else's taste but nobody knows enough about the crap they listen to to bash it.
No, its just going down and finding good art. Glenn Gould, a famous pianist (hehe), once talked about primary and secondary motivations. Primary should be for making art, secondary for making money. Too often, once a band reaches a pinnacle of success, those motivations flip. Its why bands like Metallica seem to be sell outs (black album) or commercial viability is looked so down upon. There is a debate on what is the meaning of art and what should be the primary motivation of such art. When sell out was a bad term year ago (it is not in many's eyes) it was because the artist's motivation was to make money, and not make quality. This level of qualitative distinction is what separates the good and bad artists in many minds, and what is considered the turning point in many artists career.
Many audiophiles hate cover bands, sell out and other non-purists. These people that are easy to label hipsters isnt to shit on others music, but to find a source of a more pure art. Its why grunge took off in the 90s, punk in the late 70's, etc, any movement. When a society becomes too materialistic, art is a way to counter such douchery. The audiophile seeks the purity of art. Its why Alice and Chains and pearl jam are sometimes not considered as good as their peers, because they were considered sell outs. Eddie Veddar struggled with this for years.They actively made a decision to drop back, to not become the next metal hair glam.
On top of this, sometimes you just like good music. If you like a band, you then trace it back to bands they were listening to. For example, say you like Nirvana, that would lead you to listen to the Pixies or Fugazi. If you like Fugazi, you might check out minor threat, and after that, Wire. Its a chain. If you like techno, you might go all the way back to Kraftwork or Can (the first founders in a bizarre way). And so you trace it back.
Its why Bo Diddly, or the Velvet Underground, or Robert Johnson are considered the greatest influences, because every band was listening to them. You may not know it. As an audiophile, I will trace back to the source, and then maybe find a new tree back up to find what seems obscure or an artist that didnt make it commercially. Like Lady Gaga? Check out Santigold.
Also thought this was cool: Glenn Gould taking about the artist/audience around : 2:00 minute mark
I'm not talking about finding the good music out there that isn't commercial. I don't listen to the radio at all, I certainly am not into the major commercial music. Wasn't trying to comment on that at all. I know way more people who just like good music than I know people like the ones I was referring to. I was just reminded by this thread - everything anybody likes is shit on by somebody else, often in a smug, assholish manner. I've know people who fit that type of smugly dissing anything and everything you say you like, whose musical taste is way too much a part of their identity and who are just assholes about it. But if somebody wants to spend their time listening to Blake Shelton, I don't talk down to them over it. Go listen to whatever floats your boat, I'll offer alternatives but for everybody eating a filet there's a bunch of people who just want a big mac.
Fair enough. But when people make outlandish claims that Dylan isnt influential, thats just pure poppycock.
I mean WC Handy, Robert Johnson, Son House, Carter Family all hand the ball off to Muddy Waters, Wolf, Elmore James, Little Walter, Leadbelly, Woody Guthrie all hand off to BB King, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Little RIchard, Freddie King/Albert King Elvis hand off to Everly Bros. Buddy Holly who hand off to British rockers who dance to Chuck Berry but find WW2 records of where it came from T Bone Walker, Muddy-Wolf, Robert Johnson hence guys like Jagger and Richards who imitated Chuck Berry but found Muddy, John Lennon loving Chuck Berry, MacCartney loving Little Richard. Bob Dylan's idols were Hank Williams and Woody Guthrie but he loves Robert Johnson and Carter family. Clapton and Duane Allman, Hendrix and all influenced by Buddy Guy, they dived deeper and found the King's and Muddy and Wolf, Robert Johnson, Willie Dixon.
Hey everything is influenced by what was done right here, country, blues, New Orleans music. Helluva legacy that we have as far as country. That is not even our Jazz heritage that goes hand and hand.
Hey everything is influenced by what was done right here, country, blues, New Orleans music. Helluva legacy that we have as far as country. That is not even our Jazz heritage that goes hand and hand.
