Mgbako Arrested!
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Bill Self monitoring the Transfer Portal waiting for this kid to become the next Jailhawk great!
Your choice. I just don't see a reason not to cooperate if you have done nothing wrong. At the very least, a little courtesy may get you out of a ticket when they pull you over a few days later for minor speeding or failing to signal. I went through a drive through a couple weeks ago and noticed a cop behind me in line. I paid for his meal. My brother in law is a cop in Jeffersontown. One of the best men and fathers I know. Are there bad cops? Sure, but you can still save yourself a lot of grief just by showing some respect and cooperation. What have you got to lose if you have done nothing wrong? A lot of times when they ask for ID, they are checking to make sure you aren't wanted for something, and if you aren't, it's all good. I appreciate them pursuing wanted criminals and attempting to make the streets safer. To each his own I guess.
If you are driving a vehicle you ALWAYS have to show proof of licensure and most times registration and insurance.
A wall of words to say you know some good cops and are fine with cops violating your rights because you don’t have a criminal history. I also know good cops, don’t have a single thing on my record but I’m still not giving over my ID just because some cop thinks he can get it because of his line of work. Just because you think people should comply and “save themselves some grief” doesn’t mean others do. Some are actually well educated on the law and aren’t going by feelings. Laws on handing over ID doesn’t involve trying to get out of tickets later, knowing good officers, or respect. It has to do with what is legally required. If you want to give it over to random people on the street I don’t care but the conversation was about the laws.
Only if you are pulled over for an infraction. Officers do not have the right to pull over any car for any reason.
Eh, I'm on two minds of this one. I really don't like just handing over "papers". As a student/lover of history, I've seen that slippery slope go quick. I wasn't overly wild about vaccine cards (but that's another debate and more complex). That being said, I'm not a crazy "sovereign citizen" either. Those people are nutjobs.
If I've done nothing wrong, why do I have to prove that? The onus is on the state to provide probable cause, not me. They have to have reasonable suspicion and provide cause; I don't have to prove my innocence. I don't like aiding in fishing expeditions. However, if the officer is polite and doesn't DEMAND to see it, I might oblige.
I believe police should always identify, and provided reason for a stop before asking for ID. I'm also not naive and realize that's not always feasible. The problem is we ALL know there are bad cops on the job. Even by natural odds, that's just going to happen. And the issue is they given ALL cops a bad name. Because just like they seems to be suspicious of everyone these days, we're now left wondering, "Is the one I'm interacting with a "good" cop?"
Again, I'm not about having a thrown down revolution in the street. Be cordial and comply within reason; but also stand up for your rights and don't just assume cops can do no wrong. State calmly on the street; argue in court.
Yeah, that doesn't always work. Sometimes you get the ticket loving jerk cop. We've had one in our town writing tickets for 3 over the speed limit. Like, seriously? And good lawyer would have that dismissed in a heartbeat. In fact, that one got reported in the media, and a judge tossed it out with prejudice. This same cop was the one who got me for the nose over the line at the stop sign. Which I admit I freely did and didn't argue in court, but being friendly didn't work with him. Needless to say, he's not very well liked, which, I get is not his job per se, but sometimes you catch more flies with honey....
The point is we have rights and laws for a reason. This country was founded upon them to escape a VERY heavy handed British Crown. We're supposed to have LIMITED government. Again, I'm not naive and realize that's a pie pipe dream. Nonetheless, I believe in cordial cooperation. If a cop identifies, asks nicely and says "Hey man, we're investigating xyz, and you fit the description, may I see your ID?" Sure, thing officer. If he runs up screaming at me, demanding ID, and gives me no reason? I'm not going to run or anything, but I'm also not going to be as cooperative either. Act like a professional. Now if it's a true emergency, and I've got 5 cops surrounding me, obviously something is up and I'm going to comply without much question.
I've taken several Citizen's Academies, my uncle was a captain for many moons. I get how hard their job is. Which is why I'm pro-police. We have to have them. Period. I buy lunches for them too. But we've got to do a better job of weeding out the bad ones. And we have to have better trainings for police in the art of de-escalation and clear communication. How many videos have we seen of multiple officers shouting commands all at once? No one can figure that out! Or the incident with the semi driver who ran, and was surrendering, was under control by the staties, and the local cops roll up and release the K9 on him, while being told NOT to do that by the agency in charge! Sure, mistakes are going to happen. But in the end, that comes out of our pockets. And it can potentially end lives needlessly.
They owe it us as the citizenry they protect and we owe it to them to give them those opportunities as tax payers. We ALL have to do better. This is NOT supposed to be us vs them. And that goes both ways.
Well, no duh. But if you're in a vehicle, driving, you're going to have to show ID. Again, don't argue in the street. Because, that's not going to go well in court Because if you refuse to show ID driving, even if you believe its a garbage stop, you're going to get arrested more than likely. And on top of that, you're vehicle is getting impounded. And it's not worth headache of all that. There's much less wiggle room in that situation, even if there SHOULD be more. Like I say, I'm not naive.
Just show ID, ask for reason of the stop, if they refuse to give it, ask "Am I being detained?" If they say yes, then, sit there and do what every lawyer would tell you to do. Shut up and take your 5th amendment rights. If they ask to search, tell them you don't consent. And if you truly aren't hiding anything, that will come out and you can sue the pants off them.
Why do so many people get shot by cops you ask??? This thread alone will answer all those questions and more.
Some people, especially woke people, hate authority. That’s why woke people hate cops, God, and any authoritative figure just about it.
Unless, that authoritative figure goes along with whatever mental issue is the subject for that day.
Comply and go home or don’t and don’t. It’s pretty simple. A cops job is hard enough as it is, it usually takes less than 3 minutes to prove you’re innocent.
Some people, especially woke people, hate authority. That’s why woke people hate cops, God, and any authoritative figure just about it.
Unless, that authoritative figure goes along with whatever mental issue is the subject for that day.
Comply and go home or don’t and don’t. It’s pretty simple. A cops job is hard enough as it is, it usually takes less than 3 minutes to prove you’re innocent.
The point of America is supposed to be "presumption of innocence" btw. Just saying. And I don't hate authority either. I just have standards and believe in the Constitution.
Correct I was just clarifying the first part. An officer if he pulls you over has to have a reason, even if that reason is made up. Like swerving or something, almost impossible to prove one way or another.
Believe in the Constitution? Sure damn will. That's called being an American.
I definitely believe in the constitution but also not a douche bag to cops because I’ve been told they are bad, either.
Are they bad cops? Absolutely. But the good outweigh the bad and most are truly just trying to serve and protect.
Like I said, you do you.
And I never argued to the contrary. I still believe the good cops outweigh the bad, but I've experienced those crappy ones first hand. And sadly, I think there's more than there used to be.
I will do me. Thanks, it's served me pretty well over the years.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said. I simply don't see any point in being difficult if a cop asks for my ID. Especially if I know I have done nothing wrong.
Like I used to tell my kids when they were learning to drive, "You might beat the rap, but you ain't beating the ride."
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