He and his klutch people are so sure the measurements and interviews are enough to be drafted top 45 that he won't scrimmage.
Livingston living in a dream world
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If true, there must not be as much potential international talent this time around.
To say this will be a mistake is putting it mildly, he’ll go undrafted and ultimately be another casualty of the system.
With an attitude like that give be a player like Johnson who doesn't think he's something that he's not.
Worse players have been drafted on nothing but potential. Wouldn't shock me a bit. I don't think he'll get drafted. But it's not unfathomable.
So weird to see this strategy actually work. It would be like going to a job interview and declining to show your credentials saying "you're just going to have to hire me to see how I'll do".. in what world would that ever be acceptable?
Idk, if I were the owners I'd have a meeting and find a way to do away with this shit. You either show us what you have or all 30 of us agree to black ball you.
Idk, if I were the owners I'd have a meeting and find a way to do away with this shit. You either show us what you have or all 30 of us agree to black ball you.
How does Calipari keep finding and taking commitments from these clowns? Sharpe. Whitney. Askew. Fletcher. SKJ. Wheeler. Montgomery. Skal. Gabriel. Livingston. DJ Jeffries. Skyy Clark. We keep recruiting delusional player after delusional player.
Remember five years ago when Calipari bragged about how they were doing a better job of "identifying kids who want to be here?"
Remember five years ago when Calipari bragged about how they were doing a better job of "identifying kids who want to be here?"
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It’s crazy, I can’t believe Gabriel plays for the Lakers. Every time I’ve watched them and he gets in he’s immediately scored on, turns it over, or misses a 3.
I too am shocked that he is in the nba at all.
I haven’t seen him play lately. Does Gabriel still look like a fawn running for the first time? He always seemed so uncoordinated.
Legend has it that he still thinks he's a "guard."
I wonder if these types of recruits have been now seeking Cal out. They know he will do whatever he can to make star freshman happy. You have to think that of the top25, no school or coach will appeal to all 25... maybe just half, or maybe even less. Maybe the feelers that staff puts out there, is really just snagging the guys who want the path of least resistance to making an NBA salary.
Seem to me that's exactly what CL was.
Good question.
When Calipari can't sign the elite of the elite, he ends up getting the elite wanna-be types and prima donnas.
I honestly don’t understand how he makes the roster. A guy like Cousins is at home but they pay him to do literally nothing. He’s played 8 years now, never played more than 15MPG, his highest average is 6.7 points and 4.3 rebounds, his career average is 12.8 MPG 4 point and 3 boards. Career 50% from the field but 31% from 3 and 61% at the line. I know you need bench guys but there is nothing I’ve seen to warrant that amount of time in the league.
Because he plays the numbers! If a recruiting service says so and so is #3 best player in the class well that's all Calipari needs to know. Or that's how I see it anyway. I think he pays way to much attention to that shit. I could be wrong. I been wrong alot of times before but Calipari takes the Highest rated recruit he can get and then when it don't pan out he'll give a 4 star a chance like that's what he had in mind the whole time.🙈
When Cal gets players the Cal hate cult whines. When Cal doesn't get players the Cal hate cult whines.
Surely even the cult can connect those dots?
Surely even the cult can connect those dots?
They might seek Cal out but who wants to come here and be yelled at for 6-8 months?
A 6-7 player who can't dribble or shoot, has a low motor and a competitive spirit on the level of Shady Sharpe, is not getting drafted.
Yea, I can connect the dots. It spells T-R-O-L-L.
Who whines when Cal gets great players?
I've been here for around two decades (on and off), and I've never seen one poster here who wasn't excited when Calipari landed an elite player.
Looks like you're making stuff up with another strawman argument.
Surely you can do better, sir.
I am sure that type of person is pervasive among elite HS basketball players. Imagine being 18 years old and being told your shit don't stink your whole life because you can play basketball well.
Actually, Cal has done a great job of keeping the knuckleheads from our program.
What are we thinking for comparisons in the NBA/similar route: Is he a Poythress? Maybe more of an Archie Goodwin? Poythress didn't have quite the hype around him as Livingston. Trey Lyles? Gets to the league, then just kinda quietly has a pretty decent career. Maybe more of a BJ Boston start?
You think this is Cal or someone at KY? That’s asinine. This is money grubbing family and handlers. Trying to wheedle a nickel out of failed expectations or wild fantasy’s. It comes with overstated ambition and is there festering out of sight long before they get to KY.
This draft is awful after like the top 3 picks so it’s fair game for anyone to get a handshake deal for a late first or second round flyer pick. Livingston was a top 5 player in his class and I’m sure Klutch is advertising him as just that.
How many times has this been said only to see the player drafted.
Hell, Shady Sharpe sat the bench his entire time in Lexington and was a lotto pick.
CL does not have the talent of Sharpe to just not compete. Sharpe was a lotto pick no matter what. Apples to oranges.
Sharpe. Whitney. Askew. Fletcher. SKJ. Wheeler. Montgomery. Skal. Gabriel. Livingston. DJ Jeffries. Skyy Clark.
Every college basketball coach was recruiting each of these players and would have taken a commitment from any of them. Calipari is the only coach in America to get burned by a player. Use some common sense...
Every college basketball coach was recruiting each of these players and would have taken a commitment from any of them. Calipari is the only coach in America to get burned by a player. Use some common sense...
Fine. You don't like that comparison. Daniel Orton was a first round pick in 2010...based on what exactly?
Boston was a second round pick...was an awful college player.
If you were interviewing for a job, your prospective employer probably doesn’t have hours of videotape of you performing that same job at your current employer. They also probably weren’t able to send scouts to watch you perform that job live and in-person.
I’m not saying Livingston is making a smart decision here, just pointing out that you can’t really compare this situation to what you or I would encounter when interviewing for a new job. The situations are too different.
Then you really shouldn't compare ANY job to another in terms of interviewing. But it's still a fairly valid point: Chris Livingston is trying to hide his "value" from NBA teams, in fears that he might show he doesn't really have much. I would think if the 45th mock draft pick had something to prove, he'd be itching to do so to get a better starting contract.
Instead this feels like a "I'm worried I'm not actually good, but I'd rather trick NBA teams into drafting me so I can get a quick pay check and maybe stick around in the league".
Don’t disagree with anything in your post….however it is super interesting that the NBA just changed the rules in the CBA and after this year players MUST scrimmage at combine to maintain draft eligibility.
NBA Scouting Combine Invitees Must Participate to Be Drafted Starting in 2024
As part of the new collective bargaining agreement between the NBA and tbhe National Basketball Players Association, draft-eligible players are required to…
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In terms of why Livingston is doing this, that is an assumption on your part. Your assumption may be accurate, or it may not.
A good friend of mine once refused to interview for a role at a new company when their HR recruiter reached out to him, and he still ended up getting the job. The reason for this is because that same company had just reached out regarding an open VP position a few weeks before. They put him through an extensive interview process, but ultimately decided to go with an internal candidate.
When the recruiter called again about this second open position, he told them he was very interested in the role but only if they were serious about hiring him specifically. He had a good job and didn’t need to switch, felt they already had enough info on him, and didn’t want to go through the whole process again.
He ended up getting the role and his decision to not interview had nothing to do with wanting to hide anything. He simply felt that they had all the info they needed and didn’t want to jump through any more hoops. His point of view was that if they wanted him, then go ahead and offer him the position.
Point being, there can be reasons you avoid doing things for a prospective employer that have nothing to do with wanting to hide something. And unless you’re close to the person, it’s difficult to weigh in on someone’s motives.
So it’s certainly possible that Livingston is trying to hide something, but it’s also possible that he feels that teams that say they’re interested have enough info to make a decision, he doesn’t feel like this is necessary, and believes this provides no additional upside for him.
Now, that may ultimately prove to be a bad decision on his part, but that remains to be seen.
Not being projected in the first round (is he projected in the draft at all) and choosing not to participate in the scrimmages is a bold choice, Cotton. Let's see how this works out for him.
Sharpe was a projected lottery pick. Livingston isn't projected in the 1st round, hardly in the draft at all.
It ain't the same.
The CBA change isn’t specific to the scrimmage. It’s simply that invitees must participate in the combine fully, which means everything: measurements, drills, interviews, etc.Don’t disagree with anything in your post….however it is super interesting that the NBA just changed the rules in the CBA and after this year players MUST scrimmage at combine to maintain draft eligibility.
NBA Scouting Combine Invitees Must Participate to Be Drafted Starting in 2024
As part of the new collective bargaining agreement between the NBA and tbhe National Basketball Players Association, draft-eligible players are required to…syndication.bleacherreport.com
Probably the biggest reason for this change is so that players can’t avoid the medical exams that are part of the combine.
Is it really that far fetched to imagine? The league is awash in cheap dollars. Cheap dollars = bad investments. No to mention in light of the current Morant situation the league has been exposed as the giant adult daycare system it is for these dudes. It perpetuates this nonsense because there's no financial and social incentives to "be better".
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