NOBODY is consistently playing at that pace. That's the issue. Y'all are screaming at the clouds. The only time anybody holds the ball is at the end of a quarter/game, and then it's usually :30 or less. I can't tell you the last time I saw a :45 possession from any team we have played. So it's a non issue.
How many possessions have you seen that last :45 or more, per game? Just estimate.
I don’t buy that for a minute. Kids want to win. They would choose winning over style of play 10 times out of 10. If you have a slow, non athletic team and you are trying to play up tempo against quick, athletic teams, then you just aren’t a very good coach.
Some teams are playing at that pace. I’ve watched Bell County do it to teams several times over the last few years with Sizemore. They lost every time they tried it as well. And AAU and defense depends on what circuit you’re running in. So don’t even come at me with that. I’ve coached on all levels from elementary to being a grad assistant. A 45 second shot clock maximized would be just under 11 possessions per quarter. And you’re opposed to that?
The absolute worst was when they allowed schools to usurp districts and the larger schools began swallowing up all the elite talent, even outside the state - I'm looking at you Cov Cath, Highlands and Beechwood - they should have asterisks burned into every one of their titles. Talk about an uneven playing field.
We’re talking about a 45 second shot clock. That’s only around 10.5 possession per quarter. But who wins at that pace? If you have a slow, non athletic team, then you have bigger issues and probably aren’t winning much anyways. You’re not winning very many games scoring in the 50s. Teams that are consistently contending for district and regional titles aren’t playing and scoring at a low clip.
I don understand how that is an argument for a shot clock. Many high schools don’t have athletic teams. A coach has to play with the talent he has. If that means playing more deliberately then why should we prevent that strategy? Again, I think 45 seconds to a minute is probably not a bad thing.
I don’t see it your way but I can at least appreciate aspects of where you’re coming from. To me 35 seconds was perfect, and then the move to shave it down to 30 seconds to “help” the offense was outright boneheaded. As if the offense couldn’t have shot 30 seconds into the 35-second clock before if that would have really always been in their favor.
I’m not saying prevent that strategy. 45 seconds is plenty enough to play methodically and deliberately. There are college teams that do it in 35 seconds without the need for isolation plays. I’m honestly speaking more towards the teams we see every year who want to stall the entire game and turn it into a sport where they’re not actively trying to score for much of the game, which isn’t seen in any other sport I can think of. I guess you haven’t seen many of those types of games wherever you’re at. But that’s what I was really arguing against and in favor of a clock of some sort for.
I had no idea Digger smiled! Wat a horses ass. But now Dean is probably smiling in his grave.
I didn’t say Bell played at that pace all the time goober. I said I’ve seen them do it several times over the past few years. His players hate it, the fans boo it, but he still tries it every so often and always loses. It’s not their typical style of play. That’s my whole argument for a shot clock. To stop teams from actively trying not to score. But no you want to whine “what about the slow non athletic kids who can’t get a shot up in 45 seconds” and then brag about your pace where it would never affect you at your little 2A school. Makes sense.
Where did I say I discouraged them from playing AAU, Naismith? I said I have to coach the AAU out of them because ANYBODY can coach an AAU team Literally ANYBODY. Btw, I'd have to value your opinio9n for you to "trigger" me, and that's not the case my man.
Reading comprehension Dean Smith. I said Sizemore has had several “GAMES” at Bell over the years where I watched him try to hold the ball 3-4 minutes at a time like that. But that’s just one example. I saw Letcher Central do the same a “couple” times as well. Everyone has seen it before somewhere. It doesn’t work 99.9% of the time. Have fun with 4-corners.
And it is the best way for smaller schools to beat bigger schools. As long as Kentucky sticks to a Sweet Sixteen with smaller schools having to play the larger schools in the state tournament then the 35 second shot will continue to be a dead issue. Indiana went to different classifications for schools based on their size for this very reason.
