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Kentucky governor: Children were sexually assaulted and tried drugs because teachers were protesting

August/September - May/June (don't know when y'all start and end in KY) is more than half a year.
Not when you count all the days off between those months. A full month off between fall break, winter break and spring break and then all of the holidays on top of that. My SIL is a teacher and they are off on vacation or resting at home 99% of those days off. Teachers claiming they work outside of school hours (other than periodic grading here and there that they cannot finish during their planning hour) is blatant lying and just clamoring for sympa thy so that the general public doesn't resent their 75 paid vacation days a year.
 
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Not when you count all the days off between those months. A full month off between fall break, winter break and spring break and then all of the holidays on top of that. My SIL is a teacher and they are off on vacation or resting at home 99% of those days off. Teachers claiming they work outside of school hours (other than periodic grading here and there that they cannot finish during their planning hour) is blatant lying and just clamoring for sympa thy so that the general public doesn't resent their 75 paid vacation days a year.

I’m sure you know more than teachers themselves. Carry on & continue to call them liars.
 
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Not when you count all the days off between those months. A full month off between fall break, winter break and spring break and then all of the holidays on top of that. My SIL is a teacher and they are off on vacation or resting at home 99% of those days off. Teachers claiming they work outside of school hours (other than periodic grading here and there that they cannot finish during their planning hour) is blatant lying and just clamoring for sympa thy so that the general public doesn't resent their 75 paid vacation days a year.

Maybe it's just your sister-in-law.
 
Maybe it's just your sister-in-law.
She's a department head, so I'm not sure if they make the laziest ones a department head. My guess is not, so I'd venture to say that there are teachers in her school that don't even put in a full day's work during school hours.
 
I no longer live in Kentucky but still keep up with the news. It was a stupid thing to say, but he has at least had enough guts to try to start fixing some of the retirement/pension issues that decades of politicians have ignored or traded for votes. Unfortunately, he’s finding out that everyone is only concerned about the present and aren’t really serious about the impending collapse of the system.

I don't think anyone thinks the system doesn't need fixed. It is the fact he thinks his way is the only way to fix it and isn't open to other options that is the issue. Well that and the fact if you don't agree that his way is the only way to fix it then you are a moron that isn't up to the same intellectual level as he is.

It has taken many decades of the KY Retirement being robbed and pillaged by past administrations to get to this point and his solution is to make the teacher pay it again or give up benefits promised to them. They paid it once and it was taken from them by legislators and governors who are not giving up any of their benefits to help solve the problem.
 
Teachers make $50k a year for half a year's work and have amazing health insurance and a retirement that pays them 75% of their top 3 year's average salary. And they are bankrupting the state. What more should they be given?


First off a starting teacher salary is around $35,000 per year not $50,000. Second they are required to have a masters degree to get that $35,000 per year. That is only $16.83 per hour for a 40 hour per week job for a Masters Degree. Third saying they work half of the year is a idiotic statement. School usually isn't out until the end of May and starts back the first week of August in most KY schools. That is just over 2 months for Summer break. Most teachers are at school during spring break, fall break, Christmas break, and summer break doing In Service days, training, getting ready for the new school year, etc. I am married to a teacher and have a lot of friends who teach and they are at school on Sunday's or until 6-7 every night getting ready for the next day. Lesson plans don't prepare themselves. Homework and test don't grade themselves. Report cards don't prepare themselves and most teachers don't have time to do those things during the day so it is done after the kids leave or when the teacher gets home. That also doesn't include the days they work 10-12 hours per day due to parent teacher conferences, family reading nights, after school dances or other functions. Teachers may not work the same number of days a 9-5 person does but most put in at least 10 hours or more per day during the school year. I can promise you that the number of hours a teacher puts in per year equals out to the number of hours that a 9-5 worker puts in per year.
 
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When teachers don't do their job, kids are hurt. That's what Bevin said. It's true.

Libs take Bevin literally.


So it's a teachers job to keep kids from doing drugs and being sexually assaulted? Wow I thought that was more of the parents job and the teachers job was to teach them to read, write and do math. Who knew?
 
So it's a teachers job to keep kids from doing drugs and being sexually assaulted? Wow I thought that was more of the parents job and the teachers job was to teach them to read, write and do math. Who knew?
the way the dept of federal education is over reaching .yes. It is the schools job to feed the kids, transport them, make sure they are equally diverse based on their skin color.
 
First off a starting teacher salary is around $35,000 per year not $50,000. Second they are required to have a masters degree to get that $35,000 per year. That is only $16.83 per hour for a 40 hour per week job for a Masters Degree. Third saying they work half of the year is a idiotic statement. School usually isn't out until the end of May and starts back the first week of August in most KY schools. That is just over 2 months for Summer break. Most teachers are at school during spring break, fall break, Christmas break, and summer break doing In Service days, training, getting ready for the new school year, etc. I am married to a teacher and have a lot of friends who teach and they are at school on Sunday's or until 6-7 every night getting ready for the next day. Lesson plans don't prepare themselves. Homework and test don't grade themselves. Report cards don't prepare themselves and most teachers don't have time to do those things during the day so it is done after the kids leave or when the teacher gets home. That also doesn't include the days they work 10-12 hours per day due to parent teacher conferences, family reading nights, after school dances or other functions. Teachers may not work the same number of days a 9-5 person does but most put in at least 10 hours or more per day during the school year. I can promise you that the number of hours a teacher puts in per year equals out to the number of hours that a 9-5 worker puts in per year.
False. You are just coddling your wife or she is routinely "at school for long hours" wink wink.

Funny how the 2 school complexes (one with a middle and elementary and another with just an elem.) within the vicinity of my house and the 3rd and 4th on my way home from work absolutely have nary a car after 4pm on weekdays an absolutely never on weekends. Must be the only 4 in the state that are like this though...

Funny how the only ones claiming that teachers work all kinds of hours are the teachers or their immediate family.
 
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Funny how the only ones claiming that teachers work all kinds of hours are the teachers or their immediate family.

You think teachers only work at the actual school? If so, have you ever met a teacher?

And anyone who thinks teachers are bankrupting the state don't know how budgets and finances actually work.

Funny how the 2 school complexes (one with a middle and elementary and another with just an elem.) within the vicinity of my house and the 3rd and 4th on my way home from work absolutely have nary a car after 4pm on weekdays an absolutely never on weekends. Must be the only 4 in the state that are like this though...

How many cars are there at 7 in the morning? Rhetorical question, it's the opposite of 'nary'.
 
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False. You are just coddling your wife or she is routinely "at school for long hours" wink wink.

Funny how the 2 school complexes (one with a middle and elementary and another with just an elem.) within the vicinity of my house and the 3rd and 4th on my way home from work absolutely have nary a car after 4pm on weekdays an absolutely never on weekends. Must be the only 4 in the state that are like this though...

Funny how the only ones claiming that teachers work all kinds of hours are the teachers or their immediate family.

Maybe it is because they actually know as opposed to you who is clueless and has no idea what you are talking about other than being a loud mouth on a message board.

I bet you are the type who think bankers work from 9-3 because that is when the bank lobby is open. :joy:
 
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Maybe it is because they actually know as opposed to you who is clueless and has no idea what you are talking about other than being a loud mouth on a message board.

I bet you are the type who think bankers work from 9-3 because that is when the bank lobby is open. :joy:
My wife is a special education teacher at a local high school. Spring break, fall break, holidays, Christmas break, summer break, she’s at home working on her books. Not school work. She has teacher work days throughout the year when the kids are off but the teachers are in meetings. And she has 2-3 PDU days prior to the school year. Teachers show up a day or so earlier than the kids and have a couple of close out days after school let’s out for the year. From early June to early August she does nothing school or teacher related. Nor is she at school on spring break or any other break for that matter. On a rare occasion she brings work home to do at night or on the weekend. She goes in typically at 8:15 and is home by 4:15 unless there are conferences or open house, then she stays late.
 
My wife is a special education teacher at a local high school. Spring break, fall break, holidays, Christmas break, summer break, she’s at home working on her books. Not school work. She has teacher work days throughout the year when the kids are off but the teachers are in meetings. And she has 2-3 PDU days prior to the school year. Teachers show up a day or so earlier than the kids and have a couple of close out days after school let’s out for the year. From early June to early August she does nothing school or teacher related. Nor is she at school on spring break or any other break for that matter. On a rare occasion she brings work home to do at night or on the weekend. She goes in typically at 8:15 and is home by 4:15 unless there are conferences or open house, then she stays late.

I think special ed teachers are different due to only pulling a few kids throughout the day and working with them individually. They don't have to prepare plans, make copies, etc for 25-30 kids per class. My wife says that special ed teachers have it made compared to special ed teachers when I was in school. Back in those days you had a full class of truly special ed kids all day. The special ed teacher at my wifes school doesn't pull the kids she is supposed to most of the time.
 
False. You are just coddling your wife or she is routinely "at school for long hours" wink wink.

Funny how the 2 school complexes (one with a middle and elementary and another with just an elem.) within the vicinity of my house and the 3rd and 4th on my way home from work absolutely have nary a car after 4pm on weekdays an absolutely never on weekends. Must be the only 4 in the state that are like this though...

Funny how the only ones claiming that teachers work all kinds of hours are the teachers or their immediate family.

It's crazy how someone thinks they know so much about teachers despite not being a teacher. It's encouraging to know that every other work profession is fully engaged every day of every hour they work.
 
I’m not sure where this thread took a turn, but this whole protesting thing was not about salary. Retirement benefits, yes. This past Friday was about reinstating the budget that was the best case of a bad scenario and that would fund things that kids need. Some teachers were probably just there to be loud.

Oh, and Bevin not being a dickhole.
 
I think special ed teachers are different due to only pulling a few kids throughout the day and working with them individually. They don't have to prepare plans, make copies, etc for 25-30 kids per class. My wife says that special ed teachers have it made compared to special ed teachers when I was in school. Back in those days you had a full class of truly special ed kids all day. The special ed teacher at my wifes school doesn't pull the kids she is supposed to most of the time.
You sound like you're just the "throw everybody else under the bus" guy. Most Special Ed teachers have a specific case load they have to take care of. If a special ed teacher ignores a 504 plan it violates federal law and can cause serious problems for their school.

It's really quite sad what you're trying to pull here.
 
They work every day?

When you subtract weekends and breaks, it's probably close to half.
Very few people work everyday. When you subtract weekends and holidays from a normal 40 hr/wk work year, everyone only works about 8.5 months. At my job, most everyone works 2 on, 2 off, 3 on, 2 off, 2 on, 3 off. They only work 6 months. If you've been there 10 years, you've got 4 weeks of vacation, so they only work 5 months out of the year.
 
It's crazy how someone thinks they know so much about teachers despite not being a teacher. It's encouraging to know that every other work profession is fully engaged every day of every hour they work.
My wife teaches. Not in public schools anymore, but she used to.

And before anybody says anything, she left to take care of our kids. There was no animosity or anything.
 
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False. You are just coddling your wife or she is routinely "at school for long hours" wink wink.

Funny how the 2 school complexes (one with a middle and elementary and another with just an elem.) within the vicinity of my house and the 3rd and 4th on my way home from work absolutely have nary a car after 4pm on weekdays an absolutely never on weekends. Must be the only 4 in the state that are like this though...

Funny how the only ones claiming that teachers work all kinds of hours are the teachers or their immediate family.

Perhaps it's because they are the only ones that know the hours teachers put in.
 
The teaching profession reminds me of MLB. Every male, at least in my day, played little league baseball. Thus, you can sit in the stands at a MLB game and hear these baseball experts talk about the game and pretending the know it as well as the professional players and managers. Likewise, every person give or take a few spent years in the public schools. Thus they have the mistaken notion that they are experts on schooling; that they could do it as well as those trained to work in the profession. There are people in the profession that are not worth their salt just as in all other professions.

Those that minimize the amount of work that average to very good teachers simply are not knowledgeable of the profession. To do the job right requires a special talent. I'll be the first to say the profession attracts people who are not there for the right reasons or people who are not in the upper levels of intelligence. Obviously, that is not unique to education. Additionally, those that criticize public schools are likely those that were not well served by the schools or want to blame their personal failures on public schools.

It's easy to look at someone else's work and take the position that "anyone could do that job". In fact, I used to think jobs like managing a business, accounting, real estate among others were jobs for the less intelligent. I now realize the error of my thinking. To be among the best in any profession requires one to have God given talent. IMO, God provided humanity with a range of talents necessary to perform the jobs and tasks necessary to maintain his creation. It is not appropriate for anyone to minimize the importance of a particular profession or the abilities/ talents of those in them.
 
When teachers don't do their job, kids are hurt. That's what Bevin said. It's true.

Libs take Bevin literally.
Republican here. He said I guarantee. He wasn’t using a metaphor and he wasn’t trying to be clever. He’s just that stupid. Libs don’t take him literally, people who listen to what he says do. And he’s a moron and he might as well throw in the towel because he won’t get re-elected as he is one of the most unpopular governors in history of this state.
 
Not when you count all the days off between those months. A full month off between fall break, winter break and spring break and then all of the holidays on top of that. My SIL is a teacher and they are off on vacation or resting at home 99% of those days off. Teachers claiming they work outside of school hours (other than periodic grading here and there that they cannot finish during their planning hour) is blatant lying and just clamoring for sympa thy so that the general public doesn't resent their 75 paid vacation days a year.

Look, they have decent benefits but the should. The importance of teachers in society is extremely high and isn’t education supposed to be the main focus of children? Aren’t we supposed to make education better? And what are they asking for? They had a pension (which they pay into) and Bevin is trying to take that away. So you’re telling me a 401k is a viable retirement option for teachers whose average ceiling isn’t very high unless they get a freaking doctorate degree (and it still isn’t high as you’d think) ? The education in Kentucky ranks as one of the lowest year in and year out already. Ironic, as far as cuts in education across the country, Kentucky has had the third highest percentage of cuts in the past few years, NATIONALLY in a state that already consistently struggles in education. So cutting more is going to improve education? Meanwhile teachers are in the epicenter of the middle class which is shrinking and you attack them? All the while teachers have to get a masters degree and most get a second masters but you think they have all they could possibly want and need.

People need to look at things through a different lense if they want change and improvement. You can’t have improved education if you keep cutting education funds and make it less desirable for someone to follow that career path while also saying we need better teachers. It’s hypocritical and also blatantly ignorant. Bevin called them thugs because they didn’t want their benefits cut. They weren’t asking for anything. Bevin was taking something they already had promised. Believe me, there’s plenty more cuts and things that could happen to save this state money and some of the adjustments left out of the final bill are the ones that helped fix the pension crisis more than what he tried and is trying to take away.

Bottom line, as many have said, legalize pot, legalize casinos in Kentucky and the pension will be fixed. We already gamble on horses and go to many casinos that were conveniently placed on or near Kentucky borders all that money is being lost and for what reason? Ethics? Morals? Values? Gimme a break. It’s all bs and Bevin is a buffoon.

If you blame teachers for the pension crisis then you are a fool. Just like social security, social security was set up and paid into by the people, and then the government starting using those funds to pay for other things, didn’t pay it back and then now act like we may not be able to have social security anymore. That my friend is called theft. If I was a bank, had you put money in it and then took your money and told you, sorry, you don’t have any money anymore, that would be theft.

It’s incredible and baffling that people defend this moron sociopath. All because they’re political party is the same as his. That’s the same reason this entire country is in the shape it is, no matter of your a republican or a Democrat. I can’t stand trump and truthfully, Hillary was over on the left breaking campaign laws as well. It’s crazy that they have us all against each other while distracting us from what’s really going on.
 
-again, this issue has been an issue for 30 years under various (mostly dem) admins/legislatures.Bevin is a jackass fer shern...but he didn't create the problem. Guaranteed pensions are untenable and a dinosaur. They cannot exist as is.
 
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Bottom line, as many have said, legalize pot, legalize casinos in Kentucky and the pension will be fixed. We already gamble on horses and go to many casinos that were conveniently placed on or near Kentucky borders all that money is being lost and for what reason? Ethics? Morals? Values? Gimme a break. It’s all bs and Bevin is a buffoon.

To paraphrase a statement once made by Mega....

Jesus loves bourbon and betting on the ponies, but weed and slot machines make him cry.
 
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-not to mention folks are living longer than they were a few decades ago. If you bought into the idea that you could work for 25-30 years, retire and get paid at 75% of top 4 years of salary for 25-30 years and thought it would work...I'm truly sorry.

Now this...I agree with you.

Fortunately the actuaries understand this also.
 
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They have an agenda.

And so does the twatwaffle governor.

It's the Koch agenda and it's Fn trash unless you're rich AF.

Look, they have decent benefits but the should. The importance of teachers in society is extremely high and isn’t education supposed to be the main focus of children? Aren’t we supposed to make education better? And what are they asking for? They had a pension (which they pay into) and Bevin is trying to take that away. So you’re telling me a 401k is a viable retirement option for teachers whose average ceiling isn’t very high unless they get a freaking doctorate degree (and it still isn’t high as you’d think) ? The education in Kentucky ranks as one of the lowest year in and year out already. Ironic, as far as cuts in education across the country, Kentucky has had the third highest percentage of cuts in the past few years, NATIONALLY in a state that already consistently struggles in education. So cutting more is going to improve education? Meanwhile teachers are in the epicenter of the middle class which is shrinking and you attack them? All the while teachers have to get a masters degree and most get a second masters but you think they have all they could possibly want and need.

People need to look at things through a different lense if they want change and improvement. You can’t have improved education if you keep cutting education funds and make it less desirable for someone to follow that career path while also saying we need better teachers. It’s hypocritical and also blatantly ignorant. Bevin called them thugs because they didn’t want their benefits cut. They weren’t asking for anything. Bevin was taking something they already had promised. Believe me, there’s plenty more cuts and things that could happen to save this state money and some of the adjustments left out of the final bill are the ones that helped fix the pension crisis more than what he tried and is trying to take away.

Bottom line, as many have said, legalize pot, legalize casinos in Kentucky and the pension will be fixed. We already gamble on horses and go to many casinos that were conveniently placed on or near Kentucky borders all that money is being lost and for what reason? Ethics? Morals? Values? Gimme a break. It’s all bs and Bevin is a buffoon.

If you blame teachers for the pension crisis then you are a fool. Just like social security, social security was set up and paid into by the people, and then the government starting using those funds to pay for other things, didn’t pay it back and then now act like we may not be able to have social security anymore. That my friend is called theft. If I was a bank, had you put money in it and then took your money and told you, sorry, you don’t have any money anymore, that would be theft.

It’s incredible and baffling that people defend this moron sociopath. All because they’re political party is the same as his. That’s the same reason this entire country is in the shape it is, no matter of your a republican or a Democrat. I can’t stand trump and truthfully, Hillary was over on the left breaking campaign laws as well. It’s crazy that they have us all against each other while distracting us from what’s really going on.

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In what way was
he “right”? That means you agree with his insane thoughts and statements. Just because you don’t say them doesn’t make it ok to think like that. Sexual abuse doesn’t have a schedule. He’s blaming teachers for allowing kids to be sexually abused. Does he blame the weather when we have a snow day?

How disgusting what is said doesn't matter as long as you're "on the right team". Of course "-ist" things are kinda popular with some here.
 
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