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It’s the same people who seemingly hate Cal more than they love UK.

I swear some of these people would rather the Cats lose so they can be “right” online about Cal instead of being happy UK won. And this is coming from someone who’s been frustrated with Cal since the 9 win season.
It's the opposite.

Those people - me included - love UK first and foremost. And we do not like what we see Cal doing to the program. And all the ways he's prioritizing players to the NBA over program success and the strength of the program in general.

I doubt anyone criticizes him just because they don't like him in general. They criticize because he's hurting UK.

I want him to FOCUS on running a successful college program. Not focus on being an NBA pipeline.
 
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It's the opposite.

Those people - me included - love UK first and foremost. And we do not like what we see Cal doing to the program. And all the ways he's prioritizing players to the NBA over program success and the strength of the program in general.

I doubt anyone criticizes him just because they don't like him in general. They criticize because he's hurting UK.

But it’s so redundant. The agenda poster type puts it in every thread on this board whether if the topic is about Cal or not to the point this board sucks because every discussion is hijacked by the same 10 posters throwing barbs at Cal.
 
it doesn't look like we missed much on recruiting this year without Kenny. I'm not here to dog Kenny, I just don't know that its imperative that he is back at Kentucky. I wish him well, if Cal wants him back, that's fine but I'm not sure its necessary at all
The recruiting was at its best when Orlando and Kenny were both on staff. It was still pretty good after Orlando left but Kenny was still here. When Kenny left, it went down hill quickly. It is on an uptick again now with Orlando and Chin here. I think adding Kenny would make it even better.
 
It's the opposite.

Those people - me included - love UK first and foremost. And we do not like what we see Cal doing to the program. And all the ways he's prioritizing players to the NBA over program success and the strength of the program in general.

I doubt anyone criticizes him just because they don't like him in general. They criticize because he's hurting UK.

I want him to FOCUS on running a successful college program. Not focus on being an NBA pipeline.
Most of those "criticisms" go into personal attacks which indicates that it isn't about what he is doing at (or to) UK but who he is as a person.

I hate to break it to you but in 2023, you have to be an NBA pipeline to have the kind of success our fans want. When Cal had this rolling and we were going to 4 Final Fours in 5 years, winning titles, and going 38-1, we were a pipeline to the NBA. When we stopped that, and started relying on the Kellen Gradys, Reid Travis, etc of the world who won't play in the NBA, results dropped and complaints started about lack of results.
 
It's the opposite.

Those people - me included - love UK first and foremost. And we do not like what we see Cal doing to the program. And all the ways he's prioritizing players to the NBA over program success and the strength of the program in general.

I doubt anyone criticizes him just because they don't like him in general. They criticize because he's hurting UK.

I want him to FOCUS on running a successful college program. Not focus on being an NBA pipeline.
Why all the nonsense then? Cal’s coaching tree is relevant to UK basketball winning how? The anti Cal agenda comes first for most of them, they’re even mad when we win. The CCC and Cow stuff, calling him fat is evidence that’s it’s a Cal hatred thing.
 
The recruiting was at its best when Orlando and Kenny were both on staff. It was still pretty good after Orlando left but Kenny was still here. When Kenny left, it went down hill quickly. It is on an uptick again now with Orlando and Chin here. I think adding Kenny would make it even better.
I feel bad for KP. It was a big risk and his alma mater. Some NBA team will pick him up if UL let him go. Hard to believe UL can afford another coach.
 
Why all the nonsense then? Cal’s coaching tree is relevant to UK basketball winning how? The anti Cal agenda comes first for most of them, they’re even mad when we win. The CCC and Cow stuff, calling him fat is evidence that’s it’s a Cal hatred thing.
Well speaking only for myself, I don't make personal attacks or call him stupid names. I never have. And I didn't post anything about him in this thread. I only comment on ways in which he isn't doing a good job with our program and how he could be a lot better if college basketball was his primary goal. As it should be for a college basketball coach.
 
Who told you that
It's scuttlebutt from UL fans.
Have no idea who their source is or really anything about UL "insiders".
Only fact I know that's came out is the AD meeting with players.
Seems like the AD would be between a rock and a hard place if the players support Payne.
Can't see this team playing any better for Smith than they do KP.
I really figured the Louisville media would have broke something by now if anything is going down today.
 
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Why all the nonsense then? Cal’s coaching tree is relevant to UK basketball winning how? The anti Cal agenda comes first for most of them, they’re even mad when we win. The CCC and Cow stuff, calling him fat is evidence that’s it’s a Cal hatred thing.
Damn dude.. it's a message board..... don't be so frustrated....
 
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It's scuttlebutt from UL fans.
Have no idea who their source is or really anything about UL "insiders".
Only fact I know that's came out is the AD meeting with players.
Seems like the AD would be between a rock and a hard place if the players support Payne.
Can't see this team playing any better for Smith than they do KP.
I really figured the Louisville media would have broke something by now if anything is going down today.
Wonder why Danny Manning wouldn't be the guy since he's at least had a number of years as a head coach at an ACC program. Granted he sucked for the most part, but was better than what Payne is putting out there, and at least knows what it takes to run a D1 program enough to get them through the rest of the season.
 
Wonder why Danny Manning wouldn't be the guy since he's at least had a number of years as a head coach at an ACC program. Granted he sucked for the most part, but was better than what Payne is putting out there, and at least knows what it takes to run a D1 program enough to get them through the rest of the season.
Earlier when asked about it, Manning said he had no interest in being their interim coach. It may have just been out of loyalty to Payne or he genuinely may not want the job.
 
Earlier when asked about it, Manning said he had no interest in being their interim coach. It may have just been out of loyalty to Payne or he genuinely may not want the job.
I know he said that, but when push comes to shove, coaches say a lot of things. Payne hasn't been let go officially and that's the kind of response I would expect from somebody being asked about their bosses job status in a public forum. But if Payne is let go and they ask him, I have to think he would consider it.
 
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Scotty Davenport is a name that is being thrown around a lot on UL message board as a replacement for Kenny.
 
The man is 65-66 depending on who you talk to. Not really a spring chicken. And they would turn on him just as badly. It’s not about the coach, it’s about expectations and they need to be lowering them mightily.
 
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Well speaking only for myself, I don't make personal attacks or call him stupid names. I never have. And I didn't post anything about him in this thread. I only comment on ways in which he isn't doing a good job with our program and how he could be a lot better if college basketball was his primary goal. As it should be for a college basketball coach.
I think this ^ is pretty accurate. I don’t like him but I don’t lose sleep over it. I ALWAYS put UK first, not the coach. He doesn’t like BBN and doesn’t really hide it. He plays favorites every year. He’s already taken shots at Reed Shepherd to the fans when he didn’t have a perfect game and that’s classless. He’d rather get a kid drafted than win a NC. Etc etc etc. No need to keep beating a dead horse. I just want to win the right way and let it go at that. For those that disagree you have every right to feel how you please. GBB.
 
it doesn't look like we missed much on recruiting this year without Kenny. I'm not here to dog Kenny, I just don't know that its imperative that he is back at Kentucky. I wish him well, if Cal wants him back, that's fine but I'm not sure its necessary at all
No, our new coaches are great.
 
I don't think they want him coaching against UK, I think they want him gone and hope that fuels a little fire in the players or something. I know their roster isn't great, but it's not a roster that should be losing the games they're losing. They have a few decent players who could compete with the right coaching and attitude.
I'd get rid of him before the UK in hopes you can get some UL fans to the game to support the team now that KP is gone. If he is still there for the UK game and we thump them in front of a pro UK crowd in their home arena....that will 100% be the end of it imo.
 
Another Cal assistant not exactly holding his own.

How many does that make and how are the other former assistants doing?
You might tag some of that on Cal at times, but not this time for at least 2 reasons...

1. Kenny took over a dumpster fire at UL and that job is very complicated, especially for a first time head coach.

2. Kenny Payne, and I always liked him as an associate, does not have the temperament and personality to be a head coach. He's a great players coach and great at being the "good guy" on the bench and in practice. He's not made for being the "bad guy" that is needed at times with these young players today. 30 years ago, his style would have worked, but not today.

So, this is nobody's fault, in my opinion. It's just one of those things. He will be a great associate somewhere, though. He's a good man. 👍
 
I just do not understand it, a HOF Coach and every headcoach tied to him flames out.

It’s not too crazy. Not every head coach is the same. The coaches who are x and o focused tend to produce better coaches in their free.

Cal is, and always has been, a motivator type coach. It’s a certain charisma you just have to naturally have, and if you don’t have it, it can’t be taught.

That’s not a slight to cal, I’ve heard Pat Riley is the same way. When he took over for micro manager Stan van Gundy, he had Dwayne Wade and Shaq “chop the wood,” during the playoff run. Yeah, literally hit wood with a large hatchet, but it motivated the players.

To be fair Riley’s coaching tree is far better, however it is more of XO guys than motivators, leading one to think he cycled in XO guys to supplement his motivational skills - something Cal has rarely done.
 
Has cal ever had a assistant that's been successful just curious seems like they have all been train wrecks
 
it doesn't look like we missed much on recruiting this year without Kenny. I'm not here to dog Kenny, I just don't know that its imperative that he is back at Kentucky. I wish him well, if Cal wants him back, that's fine but I'm not sure its necessary at all
At this point in time, the only way I see him being a net positive addition to the staff would be if he were replacing flint
 
You might tag some of that on Cal at times, but not this time for at least 2 reasons...

1. Kenny took over a dumpster fire at UL and that job is very complicated, especially for a first time head coach.

2. Kenny Payne, and I always liked him as an associate, does not have the temperament and personality to be a head coach. He's a great players coach and great at being the "good guy" on the bench and in practice. He's not made for being the "bad guy" that is needed at times with these young players today. 30 years ago, his style would have worked, but not today.

So, this is nobody's fault, in my opinion. It's just one of those things. He will be a great associate somewhere, though. He's a good man. 👍
Agree w/ most of this post w/ the exception of "30 years ago, his style would have worked". Believe his laid back personality wouldn't have been conducive to the head spot regardless of era. The man just doesn't have enough hard ass in him to be the head coach.
 
The man is 65-66 depending on who you talk to. Not really a spring chicken. And they would turn on him just as badly. It’s not about the coach, it’s about expectations and they need to be lowering them mightily.
Yeah but all Scotty Davenport would need is a year there and i believe he could have them back at .500 at least. I thought SD should've been offered the last time but I knew ppl wanted KP or it was gonna be hell to pay.

SD dream was to be the HC of Louisville and then I think he finally gave up on that and went to Bellarmine where he took them from a D2 school to D1 and he's won big and been competitive his entire career at Bellarmine and the only reason he hasn't gone dancing yet is because they have a dumbass rule in place that says you have to be a D1 school so many years before you actually qualify to go, even if you win your conference tournament.

But Louisville don't need to lower they expectations as much as they just need to make the right hire. Louisville should never lose to KWC in Exh. games. They should never lose to D2 schools and if they could just make the right hire and get a component coach that could take a top 10 ranked recruiting class and beat some of those teams who they have more talent than.

Also SD would actually probably be more understanding and prob more likely to take a shorter term deal to coach the Cards at this point than some other coaches would and that'd prob workout better for UofL righg now as well. Idk if he'd consider it, but it might not be as sexy of a hire as some want, but for some reason I rather have the 70 yr old with a HS State Championship, D2 National Championship on his resume and also small D1 success as HC than another KP. It doesn't matter to me what they do over there as long as UK keeps whooping that ass...
 
At this point in time, the only way I see him being a net positive addition to the staff would be if he were replacing flint
I think that would be the logical process. Move Bruiser to special assistant to the head coach like Robic was at the end of his time here and put Kenny in that open assistant position.
 
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I have no idea why anyone would feel sorry for KP. If you've followed Louisville's results since the first exhibition last season and the statements he's made, he either A) believes he's got several years to just get them to 500, B) is in WAY over his head, C) has a complete disconnect with the average Louisville sports fan, or D) all of the above. They weren't amazing under Mack but Kenny took what was left and burned it to the ground and again, if you listen to his responses, it's as if he doesn't understand that that's unacceptable.

The entire thing is hilarious, but poor Kenny? Feel sorry for KP? Nah...
 
It wasn't that long ago the consensus was that we were only winning games here because of Payne's coaching and Antigua's recruiting.
 
KP reminds me of Joker Phillips in football. I believe if he's let go during the season it will be just before the Kentucky game. The players will rally around the new coach for a game or two, extra excitement for the Kentucky game too.
 
It’s the same people who seemingly hate Cal more than they love UK.

I swear some of these people would rather the Cats lose so they can be “right” online about Cal instead of being happy UK won. And this is coming from someone who’s been frustrated with Cal since the 9 win season.
Well, we think people like you love Cal more than you love UK so...
 
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