Kenny Payne
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Yeah sure why not.
He wouldn't be coming here to be head coach. I think he did a decent job while he was here.
I mean overall I'd kind of be indifferent to it. I feel like coaching staffs tend to get a bit overrated/underrated. They either get too much blame or too much credit IMO.
But if they want him back and he wants to come back, yeah sure why not
Do we really even know this tho?
Maybe he's just a crappy recruiter lol.
No one was coaching that UL team last season to any decent record.
KP is an example of a good assistant coach that can't head coach college basketball for whatever reason. There are multiple examples of this through the years. It was a terrible hire, unfortunately. I at least wished him some success. But he's awful.
I think one example is Orlando, he left Kentucky and bounced around as a head coach and didn’t succeed. He’s back now but he is a good recruiter and a good assistant
Dead man walking. Which is a shame because I want him there for years to come to completely destroy what’s left of the UL basketball program.
I don't want Payne fired. I hate to say it but it's kind of like Klink running Stalag 13. You old guys will get the reference.
Name me one cal asst that went on to a successful head coaching career
I think you ABSOLUTELY take him, and you show Bruiser Flint the door, in my opinion.
KP w/the UK brand is a proven elite recruiter
He builds relationships with the kids, which is vital
But most importantly, I think he's the guy that can handle Cal, can give him "tough" feedback, etc
He's also a known developer for post players
KP w/the UK brand is a proven elite recruiter
He builds relationships with the kids, which is vital
But most importantly, I think he's the guy that can handle Cal, can give him "tough" feedback, etc
He's also a known developer for post players
For sure you take him back. Everyone loves KP.
Honestly he took cover a dumpster fire at UL, I would have been surprised by any coach bringing them back to life within 3 years.
There is a reason he has always been an assistant coach.. That is in his DNA.. Play the good cop. Work with Big men. He stays calm..
But he is not a leader... That's the biggest issue in my opinion
But he is not a leader... That's the biggest issue in my opinion
I like Payne but I have really no way of knowing how good a coach he is or has been. Some people are just better as assistants because of their personalities or demeanor. Some on here were raving for years about how good a coach he is, everyone always assumes any coach on the staff of a blueblood program is a good coach, but that's not always true. If he is as good as some say, they shouldn't have been so bad last year, if they are not much better this year, you have your answer.
I agree for the most part, but someone calling him, or any assistant anywhere, a "good coach" doesn't mean they're saying he'd be a great head coach. It could be he's a great coach of concepts, a great coach of post play, a great coach of defensive schemes, etc.
Yes, much different being the head guy than an assistant. He was a great assistant by all counts and the players here loved him. Welcome home KP!
I would predict a replacement would come from the Big East with exception of Pitino. Someone like Hurley, Smart or even some of the others.
And our assistant coaches are suppose to coach. Obviously they can’t so we would we want them back
He didn't really bounce around. He got canned during his 3rd season at USF for having a terrible record and cheating.
For all that Cal has done over the years, his coaching tree is pathetic. Is Bruiser Flint his most successful assistant that became a head coach?
Cal's tree is pathetic tbh. No coach from his branch is seemingly any good at what they do. Even recruiting. Justus? Awful. KP? Not great. Antigua? Meh and cheated.
Rick is the only coach I know that has a solid coaching tree. Tubby and Donovan were very successful
Well look at who their mentor was. Probably worst coaching tree for any Coach in HOF.
I agree with this. They do get to much credit or to much blame. And that goes both ways. Win or lose. I would not coach for 10 million a year swear on my life I wouldn't if I had a family. Man social media can ruin some lives because ppl take this shit too far.
A coach does deserves a little backlash at times... That just comes with the territory and it's why coaches got into the sport altogether alot it times to begin with is dreams of being a star and wanting the press and all that shit. That bad press cones with it though and in the social media age it's just brutal. Its different. Even it your successful somebody still mad and bitching and attacking a guy online somewhere and coaches families read that shit. I don't care what they say. They read it. About KP, I don't have an opinion either way. Just need whoever is here to figure it out and win some games. Alot of them and go ahead and win the whole thing... FF and all 😂.
This is one of the few times I would want to see Cal lend a lifeline to an old assistant coach of his bringing them back on the staff much like he did bringing Coach O back. KP isn't just a 'yes man' or an empty bench seat. His role with player relations and track record developing front court players as an assistant speaks for itself. We were all sad to see him go and not sure why this narrative would change just because it did not work out as a head coach. Being the coach of Louisville is irrelevant to me since he played there and eventually came here on the coaching staff.
