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Kaepernick blows chance for NFL comeback

Personally, I have no problem with any player protesting. Doesn’t change my view of the player, and I back his right to protest. I do understand how it ruffles feathers of the flag-waivers and puts him, his team, and the league in a bad light.

First and foremost, why do sporting events begin with the anthem? Drunken NFL fans are there to see helmet-to-helmet collisions and players knocked unconscious or carried off injured. Never understood the need to play the anthem beforehand.

Secondly, why doesn’t Kaepernick
stay in the locker room until after and then come out? He could save himself some heartache, and earn a living.

Thirdly, I wish the media would just drop it. I really don’t think it does anyone any good to show video of who’s standing, who’s kneeling, who’s singing along. Who cares? Just get on with the game!
 
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The fact is, he is no different than Ray Rice.

Rice could certainly play after he cold-cocked his fiance, but who would sign him? Nobody, because he'd bring negative attention to the organization.

Kap is no different, except he's not nearly as talented. It has nothing to do with his decision to kneel and everything to do with the fact that he brings negative, unwanted attention to a franchise.

Its as simple as that.
 
MegaBlue05 said:
Who cares?

It's f'n 90 seconds.

It's never been a slight to the military. It's the biggest non-issue I've ever seen in sports, and ironically the people who get all worked up over it are the ones who call others snowflakes while acting like GD snowflakes.
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Well, there's a reason he chose to kneel during that exact time.

So, a lot of people care. Kap knew that, which is why he chose THAT time to kneel. He could have protested all summer long if he wanted and nobody would have given a shit, but there's a very specific reason he chose to kneel when he did.

Do you know why?

Because it'd piss people off.
 
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USMC Cat said:
Well, there's a reason he chose to kneel during that exact time.

So, a lot of people care. Kap knew that, which is why he chose THAT time to kneel. He could have protested all summer long if he wanted and nobody would have given a shit, but there's a very specific reason he chose to kneel when he did.

Do you know why?

Because it'd piss people off.
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That's literally the point of protests.

A nice, friendly one that makes nobody uncomfortable is completely ineffective.

I understand his point and I've never been "rah, rah symbolism" anyway, so it's never bothered me.
 
MegaBlue05 said:
That's literally the point of protests.

A nice, friendly one that makes nobody uncomfortable is completely ineffective.

I understand his point and I've never been "rah, rah symbolism" anyway, so it's never bothered me.
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Why not protest in DC? Why not protest at the court house? Or a police station? You know, places that can enact whatever change he's after? But he didnt, and he specifically chose during the national anthem because he knew itd cause people to get angry.

So you readily admit that he was well aware it would piss people off, correct? But you just said "who cares?".

You answered your own question.
 
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USMC Cat said:
The fact is, he is no different than Ray Rice.

Rice could certainly play after he cold-cocked his fiance, but who would sign him? Nobody, because he'd bring negative attention to the organization.

Kap is no different, except he's not nearly as talented. It has nothing to do with his decision to kneel and everything to do with the fact that he brings negative, unwanted attention to a franchise.

Its as simple as that.
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NFL teams, or at least the 49ers, have no problem keeping Reuben Foster around though. Pretty shitty that the 49ers have deemed committing felonies to be a lesser offense than practicing one's Constitutional right to freedom of speech.
 
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MegaBlue05 said:
Who cares?

It's f'n 90 seconds.

It's never been a slight to the military. It's the biggest non-issue I've ever seen in sports, and ironically the people who get all worked up over it are the ones who call others snowflakes while acting like GD snowflakes.
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The irony really is pretty rich. Guarantee if it was a white guy protesting against white oppression that all these snowflakes would be lauding him as a hero. They all LOVE freedom of speech when it fits their agenda, but when it doesn't it's always "shut up and play ball!!1!" or "stick to sports!!1!"
 
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A. I agree that everyone has the right to protest whatever they want to protest. As long as they do it within the confines of the law. Cap has done that. So he was/is well within his rights to kneel during the anthem.

B. An employer has the right (not to mention the fiscal responsibility) to not employ someone who pisses off the majority of its customers. Especially when that potential employee would be in a position to be the "face of the organization".

C. If Cap were a better player...or even if this had happened during his two most successful seasons...then he would still be tossing footballs on an NFL roster. If he were Tom Brady then the NFL would institute a new rule in the vein of the "tuck rule" allowing for kneeling during the anthem. The "kneel rule" if you will.

D. The media perpetuates the story because it generates controversy. And controversy sells. And political controversy sells bigly.

E. Although I strongly believe in (A) above...I also firmly believe that it is somewhat idiotic for a multi millionaire who tosses a football for a living to protest the flag and country that also happens to be the only country where a person can become a multi millionaire by tossing a football for a living.

F. I believe that the majority of sane Americans believe in (E) above thus making (B) above a strong dose of reality.

G. Cap could have (and still could) conduct his protest in a fashion that would still have him tossing footballs for a living and more than likely be a much more effective way of actually igniting change on the subjects with which he is upset and protesting. But it is certainly his right to do it the less effective, career ending way. Time will tell I guess...but it just doesn't seem very smart to do it that way.

H. Quick...name 3 things that Cap is specifically protesting against when he kneels during the anthem.
 
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qwesley said:
They, in large numbers, feel it is. Who are you to tell them it isn't a slight? The one NFL player that served in a war zone went against his team staying in the locker room and came out for it.

Can you protest on the job?
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There's just as many who don't care because they know they took an oath to protect the protect the U.S. Constitution and not customary patriotic symbolism before a damn ballgame.

Anecdotally, I work with a black Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and he doesn't mind it in the slightest and said if he played he'd kneel too. I also work with an older white guy who served in Vietnam and he bitches about it anytime the NFL is brought up. Black dude enlisted and is a political moderate who skews left socially. White dude was drafted and is wears a red hat with MAGA on it. So, just from these two, it's either an age, race or political issue. Maybe all 3.

As for my current job, doubt it. The brass is ultra-conservative and you know, falling out of line is kind of frowned upon with those types.

Former one? Yup. It was union. We struck once. The company relented on the CBA they tried to screw us on. Lasted 36 hours and the suits gave us lowly shirts 100 percent of our demands because paying us what we were worth was easier than hiring and training an entire new staff.

But comparing Random MegaDude at his shitty job in small town USA and a pro football player with a massive platform is apples/oranges.

The fact remains the protesters still are not hurting anything but feelings. No injuries. No property destruction other than idiots burning tickets they already bought. I still don't see the big deal other than it's become a yet another thing in the long list of semi-political shit for one side or the other to cry about.
 
Kaizer Sosay said:
A. I agree that everyone has the right to protest whatever they want to protest. As long as they do it within the confines of the law. Cap has done that. So he was/is well within his rights to kneel during the anthem.

B. An employer has the right (not to mention the fiscal responsibility) to not employ someone who pisses off the majority of its customers. Especially when that potential employee would be in a position to be the "face of the organization".

C. If Cap were a better player...or even if this had happened during his two most successful seasons...then he would still be tossing footballs on an NFL roster. If he were Tom Brady then the NFL would institute a new rule in the vein of the "tuck rule" allowing for kneeling during the anthem. The "kneel rule" if you will.

D. The media perpetuates the story because it generates controversy. And controversy sells. And political controversy sells bigly.

E. Although I strongly believe in (A) above...I also firmly believe that it is somewhat idiotic for a multi millionaire who tosses a football for a living to protest the flag and country that also happens to be the only country where a person can become a multi millionaire by tossing a football for a living.

F. I believe that the majority of sane Americans believe in (E) above thus making (B) above a strong dose of reality.

G. Cap could have (and still could) conduct his protest in a fashion that would still have him tossing footballs for a living and more than likely be a much more effective way of actually igniting change on the subjects with which he is upset and protesting. But it is certainly his right to do it the less effective, career ending way. Time will tell I guess...but it just doesn't seem very smart to do it that way.

H. Quick...name 3 things that Cap is specifically protesting against when he kneels during the anthem.
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But is it really more effective if the reach of the message is substantially smaller?

Don't know why you need me to name three things when it is pretty well established (unless you want to be willfully ignorant) that his protest is over the mistreatment of minorities, specifically by police. Which, by the way, makes your E point completely irrelevant as mistreatment by police knows no economic barriers unless you pay them off for preferential treatment.
 
USMC Cat said:
Why not protest in DC? Why not protest at the court house? Or a police station? You know, places that can enact whatever change he's after? But he didnt, and he specifically chose during the national anthem because he knew itd cause people to get angry.

So you readily admit that he was well aware it would piss people off, correct? But you just said "who cares?".

You answered your own question.
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I meant "who cares" as in "this is still a thing people give an ounce of a shit about" as far as the whining about it goes.

They're hurting nobody. If you wanted to protest the extinction of unicorns during the national anthem at a UK game, I'd support your right to do so and wouldn't be all I REFUSE TO WATCH SOMETHING I ENJOY BECAUSE SYMBOLISM. I'm not a cut off the nose to spite the face kind of person.
 
MegaBlue05 said:
That's literally the point of protests.

A nice, friendly one that makes nobody uncomfortable is completely ineffective.

I understand his point and I've never been "rah, rah symbolism" anyway, so it's never bothered me.
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Like most protests, it backfired and now he has done more damage than good to the cause he was trying promote. Your average NFL fan isn't a sophisticated intellectual who is going to reflect on the injustices of the world. Your average NFL fan is someone who drinks stroh's and finances their season tickets at 26.5% interest and one of the only words they can spell correctly is 'Murica.
 
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wildcatsboston1984 said:
But is it really more effective if the reach of the message is substantially smaller?

Don't know why you need me to name three things when it is pretty well established (unless you want to be willfully ignorant) that his protest is over the mistreatment of minorities, specifically by police. Which, by the way, makes your E point completely irrelevant as mistreatment by police knows no economic barriers unless you pay them off for preferential treatment.
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he was supposedly protesting "police brutality" while wearing a shirt supporting a ruthless dictator in Castro who readily used the police to round up and make entire families disappear and murder people without due process whatsoever. kinda makes you lose all credibility.

Kapaernick only became an activist once he became involved with his little muslim activist daughter of radical muslim brotherhood parents and student of Cal Berkley girlfriend. also started his protest once his career took a nose dive to try and put his name in the limelight. make no mistake, his protest had nothing to with "police brutality". his little girl friend is as anti-american as they come, hence the true meaning behind his protest.
 
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he was supposedly protesting "police brutality" while wearing a shirt supporting a ruthless dictator in Castro who readily used the police to round up and make entire families disappear and murder people without due process whatsoever. kinda makes you lose all credibility.

Kapaernick only became an activist once he became involved with his little muslim activist daughter of radical muslim brotherhood parents and student of Cal Berkley girlfriend. also started his protest once his career took a nose dive to try and put his name in the limelight. make no mistake, his protest had nothing to with "police brutality". his little girl friend is as anti-american as they come, hence the true meaning behind his protest.
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Hey lookie here folks we have a guy who can read minds. lol at this right wing propaganda bullshit.
:joy:
 
thabigbluenation said:
go on living life clueless. your smugness only supports the notion of liberal douchebag. you fit it well.
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"I've enver met this guy nor ever exchanged a word with him, but I know what he is really thinking and the true motive behind his protest. And guess what buddy, you are wrong! And that's a fact, jack!"

And yet I'm the smug guy
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NFL teams, or at least the 49ers, have no problem keeping Reuben Foster around though. Pretty shitty that the 49ers have deemed committing felonies to be a lesser offense than practicing one's Constitutional right to freedom of speech.
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Fosters career is over.

And it's not the 49ers, it's the public. No owner is going to willingly cost themselves in ticket sales. It's called a boycott, and it happens all the time.
 
wildcatsboston1984 said:
"I've enver met this guy nor ever exchanged a word with him, but I know what he is really thinking and the true motive behind his protest. And guess what buddy, you are wrong! And that's a fact, jack!"

And yet I'm the smug guy
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you are an idiot. i will give you that.

protesting police brutality while supporting Fidel Castro is like protesting white supremacy while wearing a pro nazi shirt. kinda idiotic. like you
 
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Like the previous dozen thread about this dumbass, no one can make an argument that employees have the right to protest on the job. They would rather try to tell customers (many military and police members) they are idiots for being bothered. Seattle is probably the most liberal major city in the country and they are backing off, but the catpaw liberals will fight it until the end.
 
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Like the previous dozen thread about this dumbass, no one can make an argument that employees have the right to protest on the job.
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And I literally see zero people in this thread trying to argue that or literally anything pertaining to having the right to protest on the job. As far as I can tell, arguing about that one way or the other was never the intent of anyone who has posted in this thread. So what is your point?
 
I'd like to see a Venn diagram of people who are racists and people who say stuff like shut up and play to these protesters. I bet there is quite a lot of overlap.
 
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wildcatsboston1984 said:
And I literally see zero people in this thread trying to argue that or literally anything pertaining to having the right to protest on the job. As far as I can tell, arguing about that one way or the other was never the intent of anyone who has posted in this thread. So what is your point?
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That has been the common argument in these threads and whether or not they should be doing in on the job is the basis of this argument. LITERALLY, people were arguing they should do on it on their own time.
Now you are calling the fans racist. Nice.
 
well the person who shows up to an argument and has nothing else to stand on and starts calling people racist, is usually the biggest bigot in the discussion.

wildcatboston has kiddie porn in his possession for sure. I mean he does support child rapist. and communists.
 
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Muhammad Ali took a stand that pissed a lot of people off, but he didn’t do it in a way that interfered with the sport. We talk about Ali decades later...nobody will remember this guy five years (or less) from now. You have something to say, say it...not some empty gesture that is done in a way that isn’t tied to the cause. Our society faces many problems, and I appreciate the voices who try to combat the issues. Police brutality is bad...no one denies that, but it’s not gonna get fixed by taking a knee at a football game. Get on the road with your message...lead rallies...leverage the media...meanwhile, play your game at the highest level to command attention
 
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If Kap spent time in the off season bringing police and minorities together and speaking a message of peace, I think we’d all easily get on board.

As my Uber driver in New Orleans said, “We all need to do better “

Eloquent words, a la Fredrick Douglas, carry more weight than silent, irrevalent gestures ever will.

Kap’s approach will not have a lasting impact.
 
WildcatfaninOhio said:
Personally, I have no problem with any player protesting. Doesn’t change my view of the player, and I back his right to protest. I do understand how it ruffles feathers of the flag-waivers and puts him, his team, and the league in a bad light.

First and foremost, why do sporting events begin with the anthem? Drunken NFL fans are there to see helmet-to-helmet collisions and players knocked unconscious or carried off injured. Never understood the need to play the anthem beforehand.

Secondly, why doesn’t Kaepernick
stay in the locker room until after and then come out? He could save himself some heartache, and earn a living.

Thirdly, I wish the media would just drop it. I really don’t think it does anyone any good to show video of who’s standing, who’s kneeling, who’s singing along. Who cares? Just get on with the game!
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I agree with what you said here except his right to protest. He doesn’t have the right to protest in the work place.
 
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MegaBlue05 said:
Who cares?

It's f'n 90 seconds.

It's never been a slight to the military. It's the biggest non-issue I've ever seen in sports, and ironically the people who get all worked up over it are the ones who call others snowflakes while acting like GD snowflakes.
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Support of terrorists by kneeling for the anthem is definitely a slight to the military.
 
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wildcatsboston1984 said:
The irony really is pretty rich. Guarantee if it was a white guy protesting against white oppression that all these snowflakes would be lauding him as a hero. They all LOVE freedom of speech when it fits their agenda, but when it doesn't it's always "shut up and play ball!!1!" or "stick to sports!!1!"
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Black people in America aren’t oppressed and freedom of speech doesn’t extend to the workplace.
 
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