Just re watched the 2nd O.T.

[UPSCat4080]

Smyrna.....how on Earth do you see a jump stop with two feet planted on the ground lol? Before he pivots in his right foot he is facing away from the basket on both feet so you're saying his jump stop landed facing away from the basket? That would be pretty cool to see.

By aimed logic on here this is how I could shoot the ball:

Going in for a layup....I pick up the ball....take a step with my left foot....step with my right foot....another step with my left foot as long as I didn't lift my right......step back with my left foot with my right foot now being the pivot....shoot the ball. That is exactly what Lyles did.

The refs screwed the pooch in a lot of calls....this was not one of them.
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[Blueaz]

In my opinion. I see him slightly pick up his right foot before the left. But hey let's argue about this more. At least it is not clutter.

 

[EvilMD]

By rule, did he walk? Yes.

Do you see that Eurostep 20 times a game now without it being called? Yes.

Demarcus Cousins walks every time he gets the ball in the pros. Never called.

 

[BlueDy9asty]

just curious about the logic of a jump step . Back in the 70's , the jump stop would be a walk every time . why did it change? you're leaving the ground with both feet , how is that not a up and down ? If anybody can answer this, please help me here.

 

[rhstoess]

Originally posted by UPSCat4080:
Smyrna.....how on Earth do you see a jump stop with two feet planted on the ground lol? Before he pivots in his right foot he is facing away from the basket on both feet so you're saying his jump stop landed facing away from the basket? That would be pretty cool to see.

By aimed logic on here this is how I could shoot the ball:

Going in for a layup....I pick up the ball....take a step with my left foot....step with my right foot....another step with my left foot as long as I didn't lift my right......step back with my left foot with my right foot now being the pivot....shoot the ball. That is exactly what Lyles did.

The refs screwed the pooch in a lot of calls....this was not one of them.
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I think by definition that is a travel but dont you have to account for the gather step? Or is that only in the NBA

 

[blue woman]

RIGHT foot remains planted through the entire sequence--thus a good legal basketball move. Player can move the NON-pivot foot as many times as he wished--and Lyles maintained the right foot without picking it up off the floor.

Of course a biased zebra aiding and abetting a home crowd can call anything, as was the walking call made on this play.

zebra bias and cheating is as bad as it has ever been--but now we all can re-watch the plays and see how outrageous and pathetic the blatant cheating really is.

The bogus out of bounds call on Andrew cost a made 3 pointer from the corner.

CHEATING zebras need to be reprimanded and banned--not for idiotic pc comments to fans--but for blatant cheating and thievery.

rr

 

[Desperado_1955]

From my perspective, it looks like his right foot is off the floor and his left plants just as he ends his dribble. He then shifts, lifts his left foot, and plants the right one and spins. That's a travel.

 

[UPSCat4080]

You're correct desperado. Blue woman....the right foot remains planted, but that doesn't matter because he planted on soley his left foot first. If Lyles would have came to a stop on both feet, then spun pivoting on his right foot then it would have been alright, but he DID NOT complete a jump stop. He took one step then a second step used that foot as a pivot and made a third step...walk every time.
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[ymmot31]

I complained about that call at game speed, but when I went back and watched it again the travel was obvious. Both of his feet contact and leave the floor twice after he picks up his dribble.

 

[madskilz]

you do not make that call at that point of a heated close game unless you,the ref,wants to effect the outcome of the game.

 

[Desperado_1955]

Originally posted by ymmot31:

I complained about that call at game speed, but when I went back and watched it again the travel was obvious. Both of his feet contact and leave the floor twice after he picks up his dribble.

I screamed bloody murder, too, when I first saw the call. Afterwards, when I saw it, I realized the ref got one right for a change.

 

[K_TIME]

He was dribbling, picks it up he then can establish his left or right as his pivot....he plants his right and pivots for a score. I didn't see a walk. I think the refs anticipates it, Trey is somewhat awkward with the pivot, etc..but he never truly traveled. Dakari has been called for travel a few times when he's simply making a spin move and the refs jus aren't looking at the feet instead looking at the body or anticipating.

College refs are truly worse than NBA by far....and at times it goes in UK's favor and times it does not. But these guys need to have accountability for so many bad calls.


- The full nelson on Towns that was a double foul
- Numerous times no call on blocked shots (for both teams) heavy contact on the arms and no call. You can't block a shot and get ball but go thru the body to get to the ball.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

That was no walk.
Your allowed to establish a pivot foot and that is what he did. What made it awkward looking was Lyles hesitating during mid move and really stretching out. Good move by Lyles and bad call by the ref at the game and terrible refs on this board.

When they showed the replay of the move during the game I even called it out as not a walk up at the bar. Every one else said the same thing as well.

 

[UPSCat4080]

K_TIME....watch the replay. When he picks up the ball he does not establish his right foot as the pivot. He plants on his left foot first while facing halfway backwards....the plants his right foot....picks up his left foot again while pivoting and planta it again before shooting. This call is not even debatable and it is amazing hat so many are saying it is not a walk, a proper jump stop or a true pivot move haha....craziness!
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[LowCountryCat]

Originally posted by UPSCat4080:
lcp3557cats....do you not see him plant his left foot right after he picks up his dribble before he completes the spin on his right foot? Wow some of you are ridiculous.

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Actually he planted both feet at 'about' the same time. It could have very easily gone as a no-call, with the player having the choice of pivot feet.

It's a VERY thin call but if you REAAAAAAALLLLLY want to call a travel there, it's technically correct. I've seen worse moves in that same game ignored by the refs. The ref was itching to make a call here IMO.

 

[ala_kat2]

It was a walk. Not a jump stop. The stumble caused it.

 

[southvillecat]

I think some of you are failing to see that when he picks up his dribble and "stumbles", he he does a little hop on his left foot. His left foot clearly lands before his right which established his left as his pivot foot. I don't see where yall are seeing him jump stop and land with both feet. The left foot clearly lands first. Whether its a walk or not is up for debate. I thought it was a walk when it first happened and i still do.

 

[musrat59]

I would bet the farm if Okafor made that same identical move he would not be called for walking.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

More important than the travel call was the apparent light bulb moment UK had in utilizing Lyles as the attacker in the middle of the zone.


He buried an 17 footer and made a great pass for a basket by Dakari. If UK can consistently get Lyles to funnel through the middle of the zone, I like what we have because he's a decent passer with the height and skills to catch the free throw pass.

I think UK is going to improve dramatically in its zone offense by March. Saw a lot of promise in the 2nd OT.

 

[TNCatfanforever]

I was impressed with the move and Lyles needs more touches and more of the offense going through him.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

I would have probably called a walk, but seeing it again, I'm not so sure. It just looks awkward, doesn't mean it's a travel. Refs are easily fooled, Afterall that tricky baseline moved twice right in front of that one ref, so this is no surprise

 

[medicusrexx]

from my view, he does a jump stop and simultaneously lands on both feet. He chooses to spin off his right foot for his move to the basket, which does not move.

If you come to a jump stop with both feet at the exact same time, how is this a walk?

Looked like a great move by Trey.

 

[BlueCat43]

I don't see the travel either. For me, it is hard to see whether or not he kept his right foot (his pivot) down or not, but my best look says he did. I will concede that it looks like a travel which will get you called about 90% of the time. Overall, whether he slightly moves his pivot or not, I would say it is a great move by a guy his size and would encourage him to make that move every time he gets the opportunity.

 

[augustaky1]

Admittedly I "don't know sh!t from shinola" but I thought it was a walk.

 

[LexCatnOhio]

He walked even my wife called it. Can't move your pivot foot. But the out of bounds calls were just wrong.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

What a stupid thread this turned into. The OP makes a good thread for once and you people turn it into a debate on traveling or not traveling on one play.

 

[yabbadabbadoo]

There was no walk on that play. The time lapse between his feet planting was so close
that it could be considered instantaneous. Is it splitting hairs yes but when you jump
stop, your feet hardly ever hit the floor at exactly the same time.

 

[IL Wildcat]

My opinion: it was a travel by the technical definition. But that's not why it was called. It was called because it looked somewhat awkward, that's it. I had to back it up and slow it down to see it was a travel but the ref called it because it looked a little funny and they were trying to keep A&M in the game. That's the frustrating part. Would this same play have been called a travel on the other end? Not likely.

Why was it a "technical" travel. When Lyles comes to a jump stop, his left foot comes down first, but only a fraction of second earlier than his right. So, now his left foot has to be his pivot foot. Now he reverses and makes his right foot his pivot and puts his left foot down before he shoots. That's when he traveled, in my opinion. But, as I say, I really do believe that the whistle was blown merely because it looked a bit awkward.

If this play had been the only play that was iffy and went against UK, I wouldn't say a word. But the out of bounds calls were pathetic! Plus, the phantom fouls on Ulis and then on Cauley-Stein and Towns make this one seem like just part of the attempt to do everything to help A&M win.

 

[mbc82584]

Even after you watch it 20 times, you know its a borderline call. It all boils down to whether you give him credit for the "jump stop" or if you decide he purely landed on his left foot then switch-pivoted to the right.

The real story on the call, though, is how every freaking borderline call (like this one) seems to go the wrong way when we're playing. Hopefully it just makes us stronger in the end.

 

[TCurtis75]

I can't see how there is any argument on that play. It was a walk. Had it been an A&M player, this board would have been in an uproar if a walk wasn't called. The biggest creator of the travel wasn't the spin move, it was the stumble before setting his pivot foot. It was a walk. Like has been said, the refs missed a lot of calls, but this wasn't one of them.

 

[UPSCat4080]

When have you ever saw a player driving towards the basket complete a "jump stop" that leaves them facing away from the basket haha? It is not a split second between his feet landing. He plants his left foot into the court and while still turning his body then plants the right and proceeds to pivot on his right foot. If he would have waited to pick up his dribble until he had both his feet planted facing away from the basket then he would have been free to pivot as he pleased. He did not, so he walked.

It was not called because it was awkward. It is not "technically" a walk. It is a walk...every day of the week...every time it happens. Now what could be debated is how often it is actually called. If it is not called then it is a missed call by the ref.

Hard to believe we have had this much debate on something that in the replay on the first page CLEARLY shows he walked.

 

[yabbadabbadoo]

It's water under the bridge. Let it go. It went against us just as everything else did. We still won. Move on.

 

[WCBcats]

clearly a walk.... did you all play basketball??