As long as there are two or three. I'd hate for anyone to be put on a UK roster just because they are Kentucky born/ bread. They'd have to have some cred. (Except Brad)
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As long as there are two or three. I'd hate for anyone to be put on a UK roster just because they are Kentucky born/ bread. They'd have to have some cred. (Except Brad)
Huge mistake if Gabriel leaves. But it is his life and I have always felt this was his last year.
SIAP but I didn't feel like reading through six pages.
It's been reported a handful of times that Wenyen's family really needs money. To the point where Cal legitimately thinks Wenyen leaving to go pro (most likely not even the NBA) would be best for Wenyen and his family. Wenyen had a great SEC tournament and the 7 for 7 from 3 game was incredible to watch. But it's like the commentators hadn't seen a single game of his before that because all we heard during the tournament was how Wenyen was a deadeye from three. While he wasn't putting up horrific Hami numbers from behind the arc, I wouldn't ever call him a sharpshooter from three. His main skill the past two years was hustle. Outwork the opponent for a rebound, make the extra play. Aside from overall confidence (mainly from being more comfortable) I'm not sure I saw too much growth in Wenyen's game and he probably isn't too far from his own personal ceiling.
I really don't want Wenyen to go as I think a junior with his experience would be incredibly valuable next season. But if he goes, I understand. If his family really needs money and another year of college ball most likely won't make him jump from undrafted to a first round NBA pick, the option to go makes some sense.
It's been reported a handful of times that Wenyen's family really needs money. To the point where Cal legitimately thinks Wenyen leaving to go pro (most likely not even the NBA) would be best for Wenyen and his family. Wenyen had a great SEC tournament and the 7 for 7 from 3 game was incredible to watch. But it's like the commentators hadn't seen a single game of his before that because all we heard during the tournament was how Wenyen was a deadeye from three. While he wasn't putting up horrific Hami numbers from behind the arc, I wouldn't ever call him a sharpshooter from three. His main skill the past two years was hustle. Outwork the opponent for a rebound, make the extra play. Aside from overall confidence (mainly from being more comfortable) I'm not sure I saw too much growth in Wenyen's game and he probably isn't too far from his own personal ceiling.
I really don't want Wenyen to go as I think a junior with his experience would be incredibly valuable next season. But if he goes, I understand. If his family really needs money and another year of college ball most likely won't make him jump from undrafted to a first round NBA pick, the option to go makes some sense.
Quentin Snider, Beetle Bolden, Ray Spalding, Kelan Martin, Quentin Goodin and Aric Holman are all KY kids who have all been solid contributors at their schools.
Take heart. Remember this is Matt Jones we're talking about. The man on the outside looking in.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe there's an Australian draft deadline. Cal could have waited until Bamba declared before giving up on Hump. What was the rush?
Hump didn't come two years to please fans. Did he only come to play in the NBA? How about the failed Skal experiment which caused Hump way more loss of minutes than it should.
IMO Cal gives minutes to guys he's trying to get drafted. Once he decides you're not in that path you're on the bench and who cares if you leave. Again, if Hump's only goal was professional money then so be it, but I don't think you know that.
The times I saw Hump play well he seemed to be enjoying himself. After UNC he could have been legitimately told, UK is counting on you next year.
But I surmise that Cal wasn't looking to play him and Hump knew it. He came 10000 miles for two years why not a third. It's because Cal didn't want him and you can jump up and down and scream but it won't change my opinion. It's as plain as the nose on your face that once Cal thinks your NBA options are limited he's pretty much through with you. Cal's the coach and can do what he pleases but the question posed was what can be done.
If you think Hump came 10,000 miles just to have fun then you are mistaken.
Players from outside the state come to UK to become pros one way or another. We all know this.
You can say I don't know anything, but I promise I'm a lot closer to the situation than most as my source lived with his GF... but ok. We will go by what you think...
You can also try to read Cal's mind and Hump's.... you have absolutely zero idea if Cal gave up on Isaac... lol.
When you say nothing can change your opinion you have shut yourself off from obtaining any new data.
When people have ZERO evidence of a topic and only speculation yet refuse to accept any other information it is very odd and there is really no sense in debating the subject.
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Okay, you named one. Where are the others?
Beverly may not have wanted to come to UK where he would have to wait 3 years to get a shot. Heck, he may not even get a shot at that point.
Are there any others?
Cal did bring in Hawkins and Willis, so its not like he isn't trying to.
I just haven't heard of any Kentucky kids that were good enough to come to UK and contribute.
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Are you aware "the Beverly kid" never played high school basketball in the state of Kentucky, has never really lived in Kentucky since he was a middle school kid, and has never expressed any interest whatsoever in playing for UK or any other Kentucky team? The kid left the state in search of better competition after middle school and never looked back.
The notions that we should've given special focus on recruiting that kid just because he was "technically" from Ky, or that he would've supposedly been extra dedicated to stay because of something that never seemed to concern him before, are just silly.
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We likely won’t win another title in the next ten years regardless of the methods we use. They don’t happen that often.
Kind of like Duke losing four players off the team that lost to South Carolina? Lol.
Count me in as one who thinks this crap is getting ridiculous. Not just for UK but every D-1 teams that losses multiple players to the NBA draft. Not a Duke fan by no means but they lost their entire starting 5 and replacing them with another group of Freshmen who will play one year and then bolt. There is no way in hades regardless of who Cal brings in, there will not be a Booker, Towns, Davis. Heck they wont even be on the level of Patrick Patterson. I don't care who Cal brings in, if there is no experience on the team we are not winning a damn thing next season. These kids have shown time and time again, they don't give a crap about UK, they are only here to get to the NBA. They are not interested in winning, they are only interested in themselves and what is it for them. I am getting so turned off by college BB that I am considering not really giving a damn about it any longer.
Duke lost to Kansas in the Elite Eight. But yes, I get what your saying, they only outdid us by one game.
I was talking about the year before when they lost to USC in the second round.
Think how much worse college basketball will be when the new transfer rule goes into affect. It will truly be free agency for every college team. Every one.
Braxton Beverly contributed a great deal, as a freshman, to NC State finishing in a tie for 3rd place in the ACC.
The caveat being that he's a year older than most freshmen.
Where was it reported that his family needs money? I follow UK closely and have never seen that reported, just randos on this board saying it with nothing to back it up.
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Raised in the US for years and his brothers and sisters all have degrees..... who knows?
Ask @caneintally he brings it up often maybe he knows?
I do not see why losing a bench player for next season is a big deal. Experience? In what? One good game in two years? Pass.
Geez, he was just expressing his opinion. It doesn't have to be black or white. You can be disappointed or upset with Cal or something else, but that doesn't mean you hate the team or Cal. Don't be so obnoxious.
The ones who are leaving that really shouldn't because they're clearly not ready, have people in their ear telling them they should go and it's probably the hangers on who want the $$$$. People who really don't care about the welfare of the player but think they will get some of that $$$. I guarantee that's not Cal. It's long lost family or friends. Or family who really needs the money. I feel really bad for some of these players whose family really needs the money and the kid really wants to take care of his family, so he makes the decision based on that. I would do the same thing if my family were really hurting for money. I just wish theae kids had the luxury of making the decision on basketball alone, and nothing else. I do feel bad for them
I do not see why losing a bench player for next season is a big deal. Experience? In what? One good game in two years? Pass.
What does Skal have to do with this?
If for nothing else, I hope a good amount of guys stay for this board's sake. It's getting insufferable around here.
Yeah, it really sucks if all these guys leave, but do most of you honestly believe that Cal wouldn't like to see them back and would like to be able to not have to say "We're young" every year? I'm sure he's not pushing guys who aren't projected to go First Round out the door. I'm sure he's recruited many of these kids with the idea of them being at least 2, maybe three year players, but unfortunately they seem to think otherwise and transfer or leave early. What's he supposed to do other than locking them all up in a basement until Fall?
Hopefully he can find some kind of solution to this experience issue in the near future while still recruiting the best of the best.
Yeah, it really sucks if all these guys leave, but do most of you honestly believe that Cal wouldn't like to see them back and would like to be able to not have to say "We're young" every year? I'm sure he's not pushing guys who aren't projected to go First Round out the door. I'm sure he's recruited many of these kids with the idea of them being at least 2, maybe three year players, but unfortunately they seem to think otherwise and transfer or leave early. What's he supposed to do other than locking them all up in a basement until Fall?
Hopefully he can find some kind of solution to this experience issue in the near future while still recruiting the best of the best.
I saw Gabriel in the Apple store at the mall earlier today. Quade and I believe one other person was with them. I was in there getting my phone fixed and turned around and there they were. I didn't wanna bother them so I didn't go over where they were. Gabriel was in there a good bit looking at something(Across the store), Quade left after about 5 minutes. Was cool to see them though and my 2 year old tried his best to run over and hug him lol
Gabriel should of been the first to announce....... Everyone would be ok with him needing to help his family by playing overseas....... the problem is that we've seen or heard about all these other players intending to get out of dodge and the mounting frustrations are just piling up to now it feels like Gabriel leaving is just piling on to the mounting frustration.
I’m waiting to here his new marketing ploy. Some of the guys on here eat it up year after year. Feelings are strong. Real strong. Hate to think of the fantasies in their heads.
It must be tough for Gabriel’s family. Been starving and living in the streets for the past two years. Unlike all those families of kids from the sticks that pay their own way to UK. Lol.
I remember being poor and having to go play in the NBA to help my family. Just no other way to put food on the table sometimes.
I remember being poor and having to go play in the NBA to help my family. Just no other way to put food on the table sometimes.
The NBA wasn't gonna draft Briscoe or Humphries either. And I'm pretty sure both guys knew that. But they left anyways.
The rules have changed. "Won't be drafted" no longer ensures won't leave. Some would rather have an overseas or G-League salary than no salary at all.
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