John Wall traded for Russell Westbrook
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I wouldn’t have even given a 1st round pick for Westbrook.
Probably cause Westbrook is disgruntled and they just want to get rid of him.
Houston keeps trading for ball dominant PGs while having the most ball dominant player in the league on its roster. Makes no sense. But at least CP3 could shoot from the outside. That is definitely not the strength of Westbrook and now Wall.
Wall and Cousins finally back together..... as damaged goods
Westbrook....might be the biggest bitch in the league. Can’t stand that guy. Washington just guaranteed itself another 10 years of sucking
Tell us how you really feel lol. I would actually go with the one Morris brother that tried to hurt Doncic not once, but twice.
Is James Harden still there? That dude plays zero defense and hogs the ball.
The first round pick from Washington is lottery protected (top 14) in 2023, top 12 protected in 2024, top 10 protected in 2025 and top 8 protected in 2026. If it's not conveyed by then, it becomes two second round picks that go from the Wizards to the Rockets. I like it for the Rockets if they get the first round pick out of the deal. Especially if it ends up being anywhere in the top 15-ish range. Otherwise I don't think it does a lot for either, except give the Wizards a guy who's at least healthy and maybe a better shot at a 7 or 8 seed in the East for this upcoming season.
https://www.nba.com/news/reports-russell-westbrook-traded-for-john-wall
https://www.nba.com/news/reports-russell-westbrook-traded-for-john-wall
I do and always root for the teams in the NBA with Kentucky players. I'll definitely pull for them even though I don't watch the league anymore because I don't want to be forced to support their political cause.
Absolutely. When I saw the trade, my first thought was how heavily protected the first round pick is. I wasn't sure the Rockets would get it to where it could potentially be a top 10 pick at any point, so it's worthwhile for them for that alone in my view. Especially since a Harden/Westbrook pairing just wasn't going to work.
You might have seen a heavily protected contract like that before, but I can't think of one where I saw that level of detail. That's what, 6 seasons worth of protections. Maybe 7. I mean I think it makes sense. Just very detailed.
Actually, I probably like the Rockets more than any NBA team now anyway. At least they sort of stand up to the monolithic bullshit the NBA puts out.
@LineSkiCat14 what ever happened to the rumors of both wanting a trade because they didn't like the voting preference of the owner? Is that why this is happening?
@LineSkiCat14 what ever happened to the rumors of both wanting a trade because they didn't like the voting preference of the owner? Is that why this is happening?
They kind of did. Tillman, the owner, backed down a bit when the protests happened.
IDK if it was because of his politics. it's my understanding that it was mainly over Morey leaving and then not really agreeing with the coaching choice.
Tillman might wind up being a shit owner. But, we've made as good of offseason move as you can ask for, given the position the team is in. Morey, our old GM, was the one who stood up to China. He's with Philly now.
IDK if it was because of his politics. it's my understanding that it was mainly over Morey leaving and then not really agreeing with the coaching choice.
Tillman might wind up being a shit owner. But, we've made as good of offseason move as you can ask for, given the position the team is in. Morey, our old GM, was the one who stood up to China. He's with Philly now.
Just four drafts, actually. 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026. But still, I can't think of one with that much protection on a first round pick myself, at least not off the top of my head without looking anything up extensively. However, I'm not the best person to ask about this subject since I don't follow the NBA nearly as closely as a lot of other people do despite the fact that I'll sometimes comment on it on this forum here and there. Someone who keeps tabs on this more closely than I do may be able to think of a scenario where a first round pick had these sorts of protections on it for a long period of time.
Not to start up a fight, but I'd guess the scenario of the previous GM leaving and dissatisfaction with the new choice of head coach likely had more to do with it on the Houston end than the owner's Trump support did. I only put the 'not to start a fight' part up because I know how politics can rile up a lot of people.
As for the Washington side of it, I know John Wall was shown flashing gang signs sometime when he was in New York City sometime recently (last few months or so). The Wizards themselves also mentioned making Bradley Beal the main focus point of the team in public, which I'm not sure Wall cared a ton for. Those things along with the fact that both are on similarly undesirable deals likely led to them being dealt for one another.
Were kind of saying the same thing, right? It was more about the management changes than politics. Tillman, while a Trump supporter, did come to his teams defense during the protests. Everything seemed fine, at least in public. It wasn't until those changes that Harden and Russ both made comments wanting out. Morey is a top5 gm and he walked. MDA walked. And Silas might wind up being a good coach,.. but he's new and there were better options in the players eyes.
Tillman made a lot of bullish basketball moves for a guy who owns restaurants and casinos.. I dont like what the future holds with him as the owner, so far.
We are saying the same thing. I just didn't know if you're one of those people who gets heavily invested into political debates or not, so I added that tidbit. As for Tillman, he may be a fine business man, but it's really hard to say about the basketball stuff at this point. Especially if he's either tight with money or want to involve himself too much with the personnel decisions of the Rockets. I can't say any of that's true, but if it is, it likely wouldn't end up in good results for him on the court. It rarely does for ownership groups like that.
I have more of an opinion on the new Mets owner, who seems willing to spend to build up another winner in New York against the Yankees, which is a complete 180 from their previous ownership group, at least. I'm not a Mets fan myself, but I do remember their previous ownership was so cheap in the last few years that you'd never have thought they owned a team in such a large market. Maybe them being involved with Bernie Madoff didn't help their bottom dollar, but I wouldn't be as up to speed on that as someone who more closely follows the Mets is.
I have more of an opinion on the new Mets owner, who seems willing to spend to build up another winner in New York against the Yankees, which is a complete 180 from their previous ownership group, at least. I'm not a Mets fan myself, but I do remember their previous ownership was so cheap in the last few years that you'd never have thought they owned a team in such a large market. Maybe them being involved with Bernie Madoff didn't help their bottom dollar, but I wouldn't be as up to speed on that as someone who more closely follows the Mets is.
And I definitely wasn't intending to bring politics into it. But when we're talking about the NBA, they kind of make it that way. I was just wondering what all of that was about since I don't follow as much. I didn't know if the trades were about the rumors of it being political. From every side of news today you just can't go by headlines anymore.
I have lived 10 years in Houston and finally have a legitimate reason to go downtown to see the Rockets play!
Can’t wait to see Wall and Boogie playing together again.
Maybe now Harden will let someone else touch the ball.
Can’t wait to see Wall and Boogie playing together again.
Maybe now Harden will let someone else touch the ball.
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It's not just the NBA. Politics are becoming a part of every professional sport now. The NBA happens to have the most vocal, well known athlete when it comes to politics with LeBron.
I knew someone who followed the NBA closer than I do would come through. Had to research this to see exactly what this trade involved. It was the Trevor Ariza/#16 overall pick from Houston to Detroit for that future first rounder, which I'm guessing won't convey for quite a long while (if it ever does) since the Pistons are one of the worst teams in the league and looking at a very long rebuild ahead unless they can strike gold in the lottery.
As a Houston fan.. I probably would, because I just don't think Harden has what it takes to win a title. That said, Turner and Oladipo have some injury concerns. And sure, Turner is still young.. I feel like we've seen about all we're going to see from him.
@morgousky and @UKRuppster
It seems it's not just the UK fanbase that's going crazy the last few days (or maybe, polarized, is the better word).
Rockets fans on social media are debating if they would trade Harden for Luka straight up.. and I'm absolutely floored the majority of them would opt to keep Harden. Mind blowing. I'd trade Harden AND a 1st round pick to grab Luka.
I also fight with Jets fans who don't want to trade the inevitable Trevor Lawrence pick, not understanding that TL is only going to become broken on the Jets.
.. so I pretty much fight with all my teams fanbases.. probably more often than not.
It seems it's not just the UK fanbase that's going crazy the last few days (or maybe, polarized, is the better word).
Rockets fans on social media are debating if they would trade Harden for Luka straight up.. and I'm absolutely floored the majority of them would opt to keep Harden. Mind blowing. I'd trade Harden AND a 1st round pick to grab Luka.
I also fight with Jets fans who don't want to trade the inevitable Trevor Lawrence pick, not understanding that TL is only going to become broken on the Jets.
.. so I pretty much fight with all my teams fanbases.. probably more often than not.
James Harden is not as bad of a defender as you act. He does shoot the ball a ton but that's what superstars do. Luka Doncic shot over 20 shots a game in his 2nd yr.
Hopefully Wall and Boogie still have something left in them.
Harden has been top 5 in steals for two years in a row I believe. HIs defense wasn't so much bad 5 years ago, he didn't try. But he's a super star SG, he's not SUPPOSED to focus his energy on defense.
His defense has been decent, at worst, the last few years. Anyone that says he's an awful defender is just rehasing talking points from 2015 and proves they aren't really following the game.
Without being someone who's been paying close attention, even I know you make that trade without a second thought.
That's wild.
Let's break it down like this (which might be hard to do given this is a UK board)....
1. Isn't Wall viewed as a better pure PG at this stage of respective careers than Westbrook? I know his injuries give pause that he might not be the same guy he was 2 years ago.
2. To me, we all know what you're getting in Westbrook....he is shooting in the 42% FG range and his 3pt shooting is in the toilet at mid 20%. He is still scoring 20 pts a game but he always shoot more than other players...doesn't really help others scores. Maybe he is a better defender than Wall....very hard call on that aspect. And he's a few years older than Wall.
3. Wall...is not quite the scorer but not too far below...but he's a better shooter and better playmaker for others...which is hte key of this kind of deal. But we'll see how the injuries fare on him. Also, he has more money on his deal vs. Westbrook which I think is the key to Rockets taking this deal.
All in all, I think Rockets are better squad with Harden, Wall, Boogie, PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon....but Harden has to play without the ball in his hands more to make it work. If this is the same of Harden dribbling all the day long with Wall, Boogies, etc.. hanging around the 3pt line...this will be a disaster. Why Harden wants to play with Nets and their shoot first Kyrie and Durant is going to get the most....is a mystery to me. He in no way fits with them.
1. Isn't Wall viewed as a better pure PG at this stage of respective careers than Westbrook? I know his injuries give pause that he might not be the same guy he was 2 years ago.
2. To me, we all know what you're getting in Westbrook....he is shooting in the 42% FG range and his 3pt shooting is in the toilet at mid 20%. He is still scoring 20 pts a game but he always shoot more than other players...doesn't really help others scores. Maybe he is a better defender than Wall....very hard call on that aspect. And he's a few years older than Wall.
3. Wall...is not quite the scorer but not too far below...but he's a better shooter and better playmaker for others...which is hte key of this kind of deal. But we'll see how the injuries fare on him. Also, he has more money on his deal vs. Westbrook which I think is the key to Rockets taking this deal.
All in all, I think Rockets are better squad with Harden, Wall, Boogie, PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon....but Harden has to play without the ball in his hands more to make it work. If this is the same of Harden dribbling all the day long with Wall, Boogies, etc.. hanging around the 3pt line...this will be a disaster. Why Harden wants to play with Nets and their shoot first Kyrie and Durant is going to get the most....is a mystery to me. He in no way fits with them.
