Jarrett Allen

[Cornered Weasel]

I know there is a current Allen thread but seems to have gotten hijacked.

Why have so many analysts turned away from previous UK prediction ?

Was he intimidated by Rupp Arena? The enormity of the program?

Curious if anyone knows or has thoughts?

 

[CarolinaCat11]

I know there is a current Allen thread but seems to have gotten hijacked.

Why have so many analysts turned away from previous UK prediction ?

Was he intimidated by Rupp Arena? The enormity of the program?

Curious if anyone knows or has thoughts?

Who has turned away aside from Meyer?

 

[RC_Texas]

Eric Bossi says he is Houston- or Kansas-bound.

 

[Cornered Weasel]

Eric Bossi, Houston or Kansas.

 

[RC_Texas]

Eric Bossi, Houston or Kansas.

Yes, my bad. Thanks.

 

[Cornered Weasel]

Jeff Borzello, ESPN, Houston.

 

[Smashcat]

If he wants to play at Houston with his buddy versus ND, UK, KU or Texas then there is not much you can do.

 

[Cornered Weasel]

If he wants to play at Houston with his buddy versus ND, UK, KU or Texas then there is not much you can do.

True dat. Was hoping that Cal & UK would blow his family & him off their feet...& they may have.

As we know the experts often don't know jacksh*t. Just a little surprised so soon after his visit that many are discounting effects of the visit.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Houston? Where did that come from?

 

[SDcatfan13]

I'm not sure those Houston or Kansas predictions aren't old information. It seems like Allen's visit to Kentucky went really well, and Bossi said it was also hard to get a good read on him.

 

[Untouchables22]

I'm surprised we don't see this more often in basketball although it did happen to us with Newman. In football the top recruits overwhelming attend schools that are the hometown school or a school that is in the same state as their hometown. It appears he wants to play close to home

 

[JWat_]

Didn't read other thread, but the fact that three people picked three different schools for him in his crystal ball yesterday seems really odd.

 

[JWat_]

In football the top recruits overwhelming attend schools that are the hometown school or a school that is in the same state as their hometown. It appears he wants to play close to home

Generally, but not when you're offered a much better opportunity. I think the same is true for basketball.

 

[JerseyCat84]

Some poster did mention he seemed like quiet type. Maybe he doesn't want to be in the limelight and/or wants to be closer to home.

 

[1991greywildcat]

What is Allen's game like is he one and done type or multi year player?? If he goes to Kansas, what does that do with Bolden??

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Maybe because they are smart and they see that UK has SKJ and Humphries on next years team and doesn't see where Allen fits in? We are fine at center and PF for that matter..... we need to get Fox and try to land another guard/wing or two.

Pg- Fox / Hawkins
Sg- Monk / Mulder
Sf- Matthews / Willis
Pf- Gabriel / Wynyard
C - Humphries / SKJ

So don't be sad if we miss out on these guys..... we get Monk or even Simmons to go along with Fox.... or hell a player to return like Ulis or Briscoe and we are set/golden

 

[Fitch44]

I know there have been a few people on here seem to have lots of info that has bam going to nc st, but is there any chance cal is holding off on any further commitment from a big until bam makes a decision?

 

[Lob2Davis]

I know there have been a few people on here seem to have lots of info that has bam going to nc st, but is there any chance cal is holding off on any further commitment from a big until bam makes a decision?

I don't think he's likely to commit until April anyway. From what I'ver read he wants to go to Kansas unless Bolden signs there which is likely. If he wants to go to Houston good luck to him, but you can just see all those zeroes slipping off that NBA contract.

 

[RondoBaller21]

Maybe because they are smart and they see that UK has SKJ and Humphries on next years team and doesn't see where Allen fits in? We are fine at center and PF for that matter..... we need to get Fox and try to land another guard/wing or two.

Pg- Fox / Hawkins
Sg- Monk / Mulder
Sf- Matthews / Willis
Pf- Gabriel / Wynyard
C - Humphries / SKJ

So don't be sad if we miss out on these guys..... we get Monk or even Simmons to go along with Fox.... or hell a player to return like Ulis or Briscoe and we are set/golden

Gabriel aint playing the 4 spot. Cal recruited him for the 3 spot, which is why we need another big or Lee needs to return.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

I don't think he's likely to commit until April anyway. From what I'ver read he wants to go to Kansas unless Bolden signs there which is likely. If he wants to go to Houston good luck to him, but you can just see all those zeroes slipping off that NBA contract.

Allen won't play next year for us even if he signed for UK. SKJ and Humphries will play center.. Allen may be a top 25 player but his offense is just that far behind the other guys who will be here. So the question is..... is Allen better than what Big men we can get out of the next class?

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Gabriel aint playing the 4 spot. Cal recruited him for the 3 spot, which is why we need another big or Lee needs to return.

Cal will play his best lineup. If you remember Poy was a 3 last year and a 4 this year..... If Matthews is better than the backup of the center position (humphries or SKJ ... whichever is the backup at that position) then Cal will play Matthews and Gabriel together... and which one of those do you think plays the 4 spot?

we are not getting Bam, we are not getting Bolden and even if we get Allen, he's not going to play ahead of our other front court players. so lets say Gabriel does play the 3... then it will be

Pg- Fox / Hawkins
Sg- Monk / Mulder
Sf- Gabriel / Matthews
Pf- SKJ / Willis
C- Humphries / Wynyard ..

and viola..... we're still set and golden.

 

[bnewt]

Gabriel aint playing the 4 spot. Cal recruited him for the 3 spot, which is why we need another big or Lee needs to return.

where would Lee go......certainly not the NBA

 

[RondoBaller21]

Allen won't play next year for us even if he signed for UK. SKJ and Humphries will play center.. Allen may be a top 25 player but his offense is just that far behind the other guys who will be here. So the question is..... is Allen better than what Big men we can get out of the next class?

He must be cause Cal offerred and is after him. Obviously Cal thinks he or Bolden can help the team, and thats all i need to know.

 

[RondoBaller21]

where would Lee go......certainly not the NBA

Hes got a lot of NBA potential

 

[4UK]

Cal will play his best lineup. If you remember Poy was a 3 last year and a 4 this year..... If Matthews is better than the backup of the center position (humphries or SKJ ... whichever is the backup at that position) then Cal will play Matthews and Gabriel together... and which one of those do you think plays the 4 spot?

we are not getting Bam, we are not getting Bolden and even if we get Allen, he's not going to play ahead of our other front court players. so lets say Gabriel does play the 3... then it will be

Pg- Fox / Hawkins
Sg- Monk / Mulder
Sf- Gabriel / Matthews
Pf- SKJ / Willis
C- Humphries / Wynyard ..

and viola..... we're still set and golden.

This is absolutely correct. Add the fact that Gabriel can play some PF if needed, and Lee could return, and you have five-six talented guys between the 4-5 positions. I know we're used to an embarrassment of riches, but how can anyone think a front court player is going to look at that roster and see much playing time? I honestly don't see us adding another front court guy.

I think it's Fox, Monk, Gabriel and SKJ and that's it for the year.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

where would Lee go......certainly not the NBA

We'll see. If Liggins, Harrelson, and Aaron Harrison could find an NBA home, certainly Marcus Lee can potentially find a home.

 

[caneintally]

Allen won't play next year for us even if he signed for UK. SKJ and Humphries will play center.. Allen may be a top 25 player but his offense is just that far behind the other guys who will be here. So the question is..... is Allen better than what Big men we can get out of the next class?

SKJ ain't playing one second of center ever. Tai and Humphries are the centers but we need another pf as SKJ is it if you think of Willis as a SF as I do. We need an athlete like Allen.

 

[CarolinaCat11]

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Gabriel aint playing the 4 spot. Cal recruited him for the 3 spot, which is why we need another big or Lee needs to return.

I agree with you, but it won't surprise me if Cal sells Gabriel on moving to the 4 spot next year based on the premise that the 3/4 are virtually interchangeable in the dribble drive, which I suspect Cal is making a full-on return to this season.

 

[mccollums]

We will sign at least 1 more big. I say this assuming we lose Lee, Poy, and Skal.

If Cal can help it, he's not going into the season with just SKJ, Humphries, Wynyard as our post players and Gabriel/Willis as possible part time power forwards. If Cal thought we were set, he wouldn't be recruiting Allen/Bolden/Adebayo.

If the current trio commit elsewhere expect new names to emerge. Whether it's late bloomers or reclassifications.. foreign bigs etc... Also - if Bolden goes to Duke - we become perceived leaders for DeAndre Ayton if he reclassifies. I haven't heard any talk of Mohammed Bamba reclassifying but he's already 17 (5-12-98 bday), so it wouldn't surprise me if he looks into it...

 

[Jazzycat]

Love Ayton's game. Would also think UK may take another look at Maker, as well....

 

[kybballcrazy]

Love Ayton's game. Would also think UK may take another look at Maker, as well....

I think Cal is gonna stay away from that Circus that is around Maker. Heard his entourage is longer than Andre McGhee's little black book. Maker is reportedly heading to Arizona State.

 

[dave5164]

We are for sure losing POY and SKAL and right now Lee is in most Mock Draft boards going in the 2nd round. If Lee has a nice year and moves up some then he is probably gone too. Most players now are going when then in there in the top half of the 2nd round of the NBA Draft. So, we lose those 3 and I am sure Coach Cal is going to get one of these big guys in the spring. Some are probably waiting to see if Lee and Skal are leaving for the NBA in the spring. We will get a big guy if those 3 leave.

 

[Untouchables22]

Yea

Cal got commits from Jamal Murray in late June and Isaac Humphries in August. Not too worried about what Allen does or doesn't do in November. If he doesn't come to Kentucky, something tells me it is as much because he doesn't fit into Cal's master plan as anything else.

Some guy none of us have ever heard of may be an exceptionally promising back up to Humphries and Wynard and possibly Marcus Lee this time next year. Or Cal may have more insight than any of us that Humphries and Wynard and Lee fit what he wants on the court.

You're right! And also don't forget that every year somebody in the top 50 either decommits or is released from their scholarship when the coach leaves for a better job or is fired and is available late (a la Montrez Harrell) and we haven't even talked about one year graduate transfers. Still looooooooads of time left.

 

[caneintally]

Oh I am not worried about getting one more big man but we will for sure do so.

 

[buckkiller]

Love Ayton's game. Would also think UK may take another look at Maker, as well....

Ayton I gorgot about him? What is the latest with him? I was wanting him in KENTUCKY BLUE bad.

 

[wcc31]

Gabriel aint playing the 4 spot. Cal recruited him for the 3 spot, which is why we need another big or Lee needs to return.

If you don't think Gabriel will see a lot of time if not most of his time at the 4, you're a fool. Learn recruiting.

 

[caneintally]

If you don't think Gabriel will see a lot of time if not most of his time at the 4, you're a fool. Learn recruiting.

he will play some but I would wager 60-70 percent of his minutes are at SF ,as Cal doesn't recruit like that . He is the anti coach K . K sells pf's on playing SF and they end up playing only center.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

Cal will play his best lineup. If you remember Poy was a 3 last year and a 4 this year..... If Matthews is better than the backup of the center position (humphries or SKJ ... whichever is the backup at that position) then Cal will play Matthews and Gabriel together... and which one of those do you think plays the 4 spot?

we are not getting Bam, we are not getting Bolden and even if we get Allen, he's not going to play ahead of our other front court players. so lets say Gabriel does play the 3... then it will be

Pg- Fox / Hawkins
Sg- Monk / Mulder
Sf- Gabriel / Matthews
Pf- SKJ / Willis
C- Humphries / Wynyard ..

and viola..... we're still set and golden.

I don't think SKJ will be playing much center next year at all. To be 100% honest, I think relying on Humphries and Wynyard to man the center position doesn't bode much confidence with me. I may be wrong but I'd really like to add Allen to that mix. I think you're under estimating him. While he is not David Robinson on the offensive end, I think he is very skilled and we'll balanced. Definitely a similar player to WCS but alot better at this point and the fact that Cal seems to really want him is enough for me to really want him. JMO.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Cal will play his best lineup. If you remember Poy was a 3 last year and a 4 this year..... If Matthews is better than the backup of the center position (humphries or SKJ ... whichever is the backup at that position) then Cal will play Matthews and Gabriel together... and which one of those do you think plays the 4 spot?

we are not getting Bam, we are not getting Bolden and even if we get Allen, he's not going to play ahead of our other front court players. so lets say Gabriel does play the 3... then it will be

Pg- Fox / Hawkins
Sg- Monk / Mulder
Sf- Gabriel / Matthews
Pf- SKJ / Willis
C- Humphries / Wynyard ..

and viola..... we're still set and golden.

I agree.

Fox and Monk are the keys. We get them and we are set whether we sign another big or not (though I think we will add another big).

Look at it this way:

Frontcourt
Humphries(7'0)
Wynyard(6'11)
Killeya-Jones(6'11)
Gabriel(6'10)
Willis(6'9)

That's five guys 6'9 or taller to rotate at the 3-5 spots. Humphries could be a star next season inside. Wynyard will have an extra 6 months in the system to help him. Willis has looked really good so far and could see a lot of minutes as a Senior. SKJ and Gabriel are 5-star, top 20-ish guys that should be able to contribute a lot.

Backcourt
Fox(6'3)
Monk(6'4)
Matthews(6'6)
Mulder(6'4)
Hawkins(6'0)

That's five deep at the guard (1-3) spots. Fox and Monk would give us two superstars starting in the backcourt. Matthews will be a year older and he already looks really good so far. We know Hawkins is going to be a great defender off the bench for us. Mulder is still a mystery, but could be a nice asset as a Senior. And I didn't even count Floreal in the mix or the walk-ons.

Gabriel will play both the 3 and 4 spots. They are interchangeable at the offensive end. Defensively, Cal wants to switch screens at the 1-4 spots, so it doesn't really matter whether he is the 3 or 4 on that end.

I would not be surprised if we start Fox, Monk, Matthews, Gabriel, and Humphries which gives us a good mix of offense/defense and experience/young talent,