Is Doc Rivers a HOF coach?
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No way. He won 1 championship and that was with 3, maybe 4 hall of famers on it. Failed in Orlando, LA, and Philly. He may get there, but he sure doesn’t deserve to.
I would look at it this way...Calipari only has one championship in his entire coaching career, and he is in the Hall. And a large portion of our fanbase want him gone as well.
Do I think Rivers deserves it? No. Will he get in though? I think he ultimately will.
Besides Poppvich and Spoelstra which active NBA coach is HOF material? Honestly I don’t think there are anymore at the moment.
Hall Of Fail - but if Cal can get in HoF in College, anything is possible.
What has he done to address generational poverty?
I mean...whose choice is it to recruit that way? Who championed the whole one and done model? If he is not having success with his big time freshmen only sticking around one year...find a better solution (he is paid handsomely to do so). Cal only has himself to blame.
Probably just based on longevity and a title but he’s a choker overall. The Celtics should have won more titles and if you look deeper into his resume he’s the coach of 3 of 12 3-1 series leads lost and has lost 10 3-2 series. That’s crazy.
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How much impact do you think a coach in the NBA really has? I don't believe the star players play based on what the coach says. Maybe they nod their head and say yeah, cool coach, but I don't think the majority put it into action on the floor. maybe I'm wrong, but I think all but maybe the newer players go out there and do what they want to do. Maybe near the end of a close game, the coach calls a set play and they run it, but I don't think they are out there the whole game trying to do what the coach said. I think if you put the coach for the Pistons or Hornets coaching the Celtics or Bucks, they are still in first or second place.
That's valid. I'd argue he had very good success with the dominant freshmen teams from 2010 to 2017. Going the more experienced route in recent years has been a disaster for calipari.
Comparing a college basketball coach to nba or college football is apples to oranges for sure though. Saban gets his best players 3 years while Duke, Kansas and uk get theirs 1 year. It's much harder to win titles in college hoops.
I agree to a certain extent.
Would also say the coaches who find the most success in the NBA do the following: manage egos, get buy in/respect from the best player, can draw up successful out of bounds plays, and gets the team to buy in defensively.
To me, NBA coaches who have the capacity to do that find the most success.
Obviously you need talent, but there have been so many talented NBA squads who haven't gotten over the hump b/c the head coaching sucks.
Yeah I agree with some of that.
Unrelated to the thread, but if Duke can find a way to basically return the majority of their 5 star freshmen for this upcoming yr (many of which would be drafted this summer), Cal should be able to do the same.
I don’t think anybody would argue that he’s the single greatest coach of all-time, but I don’t see how Doc isn’t a Hall of Fame coach with over 1000 wins at a 59% clip, a championship, and a coach of the year award. That’s a resume right in line with several guys who are already in.
Those Orlando teams were his best coaching jobs. Those teams played hard and were fun to watch.
It's not just about titles. There are coaches in the HoF that haven't won a title and deserve to be there.
There's a very small fraction of the fan base that want Cal gone. I get it that it's a majority here. The 50-100 regular posters are certainly a majority of this site. But it's still only 50-100 posters. Closer to 50 than 100.
But you can look at it anyway you want. You can ignore facts all you want. They still exist.
Why is Cal in the HoF? Over 800 wins for one. 6 FF's at 3 different schools is a major reason. Everywhere cal coaches he takes them to the FF.
He took at UMass, a place that had never won anything. Even with the great Dr J playing there they never won. Even with Pitino playing there they never won. Cal took a neverwas to the FF. Since he left they have done nothing. Cal when to Memphis, a school that hadn't won anything in generations, took them to the FF. Since he left they have done nothing.
Cal took over at UK . A school decimated and relegated to also rans by Tubby. Turned the program around in one season. Then to the FF in his second season.
If he had done nothing after that he's in the HoF.
The Cal haters say he's called them "bennies". But no one has ever heard Cal say that. The Cal haters say Cal promises minutes and playing time. But not one player has ever said that. Even the disgruntled ones that left don't say that.
Cal took a team with 2 players to a 2 seed just one season ago. Cal's recruiting and player evaluation took a nose dive for 3 seasons. He has corrected that.
But you go on thinking that your less than 100 post a like, think a like and look a life super minority is a majority while the world leaves you in it's wake.
Whaaaaat? I think you need to step away from the ledge dude. Have no idea where that post came from.
All I said was that Cal has one championship and is in the Hall, so Rivers will probably get in at some point as well.
Have no idea where the rest of your post is coming from. You have no idea what I think of Cal...nor did I give any impression one way or the other with my post.
And for the record, never once said the majority of our fanbase wants Cal gone. I said a large portion (which doesn't equate to a majority).
Yikes, what a strange post.
Solid point. But Doc Rivers was a bad man back in his playing days with Marquette. Scored over 1200 career points in only three seasons and 89 games at Marquette. Wildly athletic and my memory is Rivers usually put a beating on the Doctors of Dunk when they squared off in the early 80's. Hank somebody was the head coach back then? [Hank friggin' Raymonds, that's who. Joined the Marines in '43 after his freshman season at St. Louis U, and then came back to SLU following the war to letter for three years in baseball and basketball. Dudes played hard for Hank Raymonds.]
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I think the coaches biggest job is choosing an offense that helps the personnel they have, a defensive plan that maximizes their talent. Their evaluation, ego management, and scouting of other teams and detail work is what makes them great. Also the best ones may have input to the front office about what kind of player they need to draft, or sign in free agency.
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