Interesting stat on 3 pt shot
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When you are bigger and more athletic than your opponents, you take it inside.
When you are less talented than your opponent, the 3 ball keeps you in it.
It's that simple.
When you are less talented than your opponent, the 3 ball keeps you in it.
It's that simple.
Susceptible to upsets with massive disparity, it's ok not to take them, if you can't make them, but you can't let opponents consistently be a plus 20 points a game from deep, the math doesn't work neutral or road
Bilas said something about it today. Its the teams weve played. They have to get hot from outside to beat us. They dont have the size down low to compete inside.
As we move into more even matchups I would expect those numbers to even out. As teams think they have the interior players to hang around inside, the less amount of 3s they will take.
As we move into more even matchups I would expect those numbers to even out. As teams think they have the interior players to hang around inside, the less amount of 3s they will take.
Uh, no. It's a sign of a deep run actually.
Post of pure utter stupidity.
Not having to rely on the 3 is a good thing. We shoot it at a good percentage overall as a team. The reason we take less than our opponents is because we are bigger faster and stronger than the teams we have played. Meaning we don't rely on the lower percentage shot and instead opt to drive inside and take a much higher percentage field goal. Nothing at all wrong with that and is proper basketball strategy.
The reason our opponents have attempted so many is most of them have been outmatched and way less athletic therefore they must rely on shooting from the outside to have any shot at all to hang with our athleticism, strength and speed. These numbers will average out quite a bit by year end and are skewed by the schedule we have played up to this point.
Harvard shot 43% at three point range. That's why they hung around. Not every game is gonna be a blowout.
You think teams shoot 3s in this day and age because they have to "rely" on them? Yeah maybe Centre College but we wont be facing them in the tourney, now will we?
Next question, do you think we are forcing teams to shoot 3s or allowing them to? Big difference. I know what Cal would say.
I think its more complicated than that. Depends on at what clip your team of choice shoots inside and outisde of the arc.
Outscoring your opponent takes a lower percentage when done outside the arc. The Warriors run has been built upon that principle.
The flipside to that is on defense you want teams driving and taking 2s, especially given the shot blockers we've had in the Cal era.
I always found it interesting because Cal would always say certain years the only way teams beat us is if they go crazy from 3. Yet despite that, we were always one of the top teams in NCAA as far as NOT allowing teams to take 3s against us. We did a good job running them off the line and forcing them to take tough 2s.
That's not happening this year. It's completely flipped.
3s are more random than 2s. We don't want teams taking a ton of 3s in the tournament. It just takes one good shooting night and it's over.
Harvard shoots 43% from three, and has a average ACT score of 26. Do the math, we should have beat them by 17
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This is correct. The year Villanova won it, 42 percent of their attempts were 3s. I think the other teams in the final four were all up around 40 percent as well.
Not defending the perimeter in the tourney is more times than not, a quick exit.
Its also takes only bad shooting night and its over. We had ku on the ropes because they hoisted almost 30 three point shots and made 28% of them. Ill take my chances on being a great 2pt shooting team and a poor to average 3pt shooting team.
Definitely agree, but not if we dont defend the 3 better is my point. Not really debateable.
Right exactly. 2 point FG% is more consistent than 3 point FG%. If you are a good team, you want to take a bunch of 2s and don't give up many 3pt FG attempts on the defensive side. You want to eliminated as much randomness as possible.
Conversely if you are the less talented team.......bomb away from 3 and hope it's a night u connect.
But we are defending the 3. Teams are shooting 29.6% vs three on the year against us lol.
The bigger issue is when need to force them off the line better and have them drive into our shot blockers like we have in years past.
Tho to be fair, we have played an abnormally number of teams so far this season that shoot a ton of 3s. So it's part our defense and part the offenses we've played.
As a team, we are shooting over 50% on the season, overall. That is very, very good. If they can't stop you from 5 feet, why jack jumpers from 22 feet? 34% from 3 when they are open. That's very solid offense. Turnovers and charges are the problem. Limit those to 10-12 a game and we are rolling.
Exactly. Our numbers on offense are pretty similar to last year except one stat. Turnovers.
We turned it over 15.7% of our possessions. We were 19th in the NCAA in turnover %
This year ........21%. Ranked 258th.
You ought to realize that the reason Cal spends so much time on defense is that freshmen are usually very bad at defense early.
Shooting is a talent. If we don't pick up the 3 point shooting it will tough to make a deep run.
What happened today is a classic example of why the best defense vs the 3 pt shot is to force them off the line.
Take away the randomness.
You keep facing teams that jack threes, one day they are going to connect. And if that's in March, it's game over.
Teams don't normally jack threes when they are guarded. If they are guarded, they will drive and try to get a better look. That's why in the past teams continued to drive even tho we had Anthony Davis, Noel, Stein etc etc back there to swat everything. That's what UK has to do.
Take away the randomness.
You keep facing teams that jack threes, one day they are going to connect. And if that's in March, it's game over.
Teams don't normally jack threes when they are guarded. If they are guarded, they will drive and try to get a better look. That's why in the past teams continued to drive even tho we had Anthony Davis, Noel, Stein etc etc back there to swat everything. That's what UK has to do.
At least the biggest elephants in the room, turnovers and allowing too many open 3 pointers is very correctable.
Truth. Fans need to remember, that's what these early season games are for - working out the bugs.
To the good side, early our ft shooting sucked but today it was over 83% so the 3 point shooting could do a turnaround too.
You just have to be efficient.
If you are a good 3 pt shooting team then that's great.
But UNC shot 33.9% last season and won a title.
It's not an absolute must. Especially when your UK and you don't shoot many of them to begin with.
If you are a good 3 pt shooting team then that's great.
But UNC shot 33.9% last season and won a title.
It's not an absolute must. Especially when your UK and you don't shoot many of them to begin with.
KU missed lots of open looks against us. They shoot their normal percentage and the score looks much different.
UNC shouldve lost 3 games in that tourney. Officiating was a hell of an equalizer. Dont bet we ever get that type of whistle for a title run.
You have to force teams off 3 point line with UK talent make it a game of 2s
Kentucky just has to make enough 3’s to keep opponents honest on defense, then let their length and athleticism turn into easy buckets or offensive rebound stick backs.
Defensively, UK SHOULD be great and probably will be as the kids develop.
Kentucky is long and talented. Very talented. This will be a real test of Coach Clipari’s coaching/development ability.
While I disagree with many posters here that Kentucky would beat Kansas in March (we are going to improve as well), I believe you will be greatly improved by then and be salty as Hell.
Defensively, UK SHOULD be great and probably will be as the kids develop.
Kentucky is long and talented. Very talented. This will be a real test of Coach Clipari’s coaching/development ability.
While I disagree with many posters here that Kentucky would beat Kansas in March (we are going to improve as well), I believe you will be greatly improved by then and be salty as Hell.
What game did you watch. Shai shut down Graham and we sped up KU all game. They were never comfortable at all. They shot poorly cause we sped them up and even the shots they got off we had someone with length charging at them. KU didnt just have a poor shooting night, had plenty to do with our defense. They are one of the highest averaging offenses out there, and we shut them down. Pretty damn impressive for a bunch of 18 and 19 year old kids
Precisely.
Layups are high percentage shots. 3-pointers are low percentage shots.
This fanbase is too blinded by its love of the 3 to realize it's not the be all, end all of basketball. The best 3-point shooting team rarely wins the title because teams that live by it can easily die by it with one bad shooting night.
I agree and shooting good 3 pointers is even better. Shooting 3’s immediately without moving the ball inside out is the shot we need.
