How did Duke NOT win the NC with 'the greatest' coach and 5 guys drafted (3 in top 16, 4th at #26)?
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Duke didn't get protected for a few of those titles? BS. I'm surprised as hell we didn't have to witness the coronation of the Dark King this past year. I'm thrilled actually.
Please, go kiss K's ass a little more. I can respect that he's a great coach. But it's the same view I have towards Brady. Both are greats in their fields; both have also cheated when they had no freaking need to. And both have had league and ref protection.
Please go root for Duke; especially if you can't see or fairly acknowledge K has gotten help over the years.
I’m not changing the subject, I just think it looks silly. We have no room to talk about choking or underperforming period.
Cal’s teams will be remembered for
Winning the 2012 title
4 final fours in 5 years
Bricking shots to end tourney games
Winning the 2012 title
4 final fours in 5 years
Bricking shots to end tourney games
I would argue the duke team with Zion not making the final four is much worse than this win not winning it
And K's last words were "Well...s%^&"
His legacy will be marred with choking to their most hated rival to stain the storybook ending.
I love it.
I mean imagine us losing to KP and UofL with a similar roster in the FF. We'd be sick as hell. And FF or not, it would suck something awful.
I can’t stand K, you dimwit. I’m just not ate up with Duke like you are. Your Brady take is another all timer lol. Good grief, dude, you don’t have to reply to every single post on this site. Go outside and take a walk or something.
K has squandered plenty of talent, but he's also made 13 Final Fours and won two titles since Cal came to Kentucky.
K is vastly superior to Calipari. It doesn't meant that K is without blemish, but he's owned Cal in recruiting, in head-to-head, and in overall success.
You’re right and it’s not close. It sucks but it’s true.
Says you. Duke has been protected and that's not even debatable. And as far K's recruiting, we all know what was going on pre-NIL.
I K a great coach? Sure. Has he been propped up by the NCAA looking the other way? Definitely.
Duke had been a 1-seed 14 times under Coach K. They were a 2-seed 11 times. Been to the Final Four 13 times. In their 5 titles under Coach K they only won the NCAAT 1 time when they weren't a 1-seed(1991 as a 2 seed). Had 48 1st-round draft picks(Dean Smith only had 25 1st round draft picks). They had an additional 35 players drafted in 2nd round or later back when they had more rounds under Coach K.
83 draft picks in 42 seasons. Nearly an average of 2 draft picks a year.
He won a lot of games. He also squandered a shit ton of opportunities with a hell of a lot of talent. So laugh all you want about the thought. The evidence is pretty damn strong about how much talent he's had, but didn't win more with.
83 draft picks in 42 seasons. Nearly an average of 2 draft picks a year.
He won a lot of games. He also squandered a shit ton of opportunities with a hell of a lot of talent. So laugh all you want about the thought. The evidence is pretty damn strong about how much talent he's had, but didn't win more with.
Honestly, since Krat went all in on the one&done he hasn’t been nearly as successful.
Do you mean he has to win a title or make the final four this year? I'd give I'm at least two more years. Imagine running Cal off with the recruiting class he's putting together that would decommit and the new coach having to fill the roster with significantly less talent. Someone recently said our program was in shambles now, if that happened the program would be really crippled, maybe to the point of not recovering for a long time. The talk would still be all about Cal and there would be zero excitement for UK basketball. Like you, I'm critical of Cal too in many aspects but it could get really bad if things aren't handled right and expectations aren't realistic.
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You may be a bit stronger in your opinion than I am but I do agree. The NCAA blatantly and purposefully let K off in the Maggette scandal despite his ultimate admission of taking money. What was worse was the WAY it was done. The NCAA buried the issue until a writer brought it up and made it public. The NCAA's response was, "Oh by the way, yeah, he took money but he was never declared ineligible so Duke is in the clear. Neither Duke nor Maggette knew it was wrong or should have known it was wrong." That is by far the strangest NCAA decision I have ever seen!
Compare that to Kanter in which Mark Emmert who isn't really supposed to be involved comes out and says, "He will never be allowed to play at Kentucky. The amount of money isn't the issue. If he received 1 dollar more than is allowed, he is ineligible."
The answer to the op’s question has a simple answer. The formula doesn’t work.
BS. Kentucky has incredible fans. It’s the miserable SOBs (like many on this board) who give UK fans a bad reputation. They are a tiny minority.
His replacement had a career high that night. Sometimes injuries are a blessing in disguise. We shot 12℅(33℅ avg) from three that game and around 50% from the FT line. They shot 43% (33% season avg) that night. Basketball is a hard one to win. Looking at seeding and season play the North Carolina win was a bigger shock. West Virginia was a #2 seed in the tournament that year. Wasn't Carolina like a #8 or #9?
That’s what make the ncaa tournament so fun, anyone can get beat on any given night. None of this best of 5/7 spread out over three weeks.
The Zion and Bagley years were definitely underachieving, although both teams made the elite eight. This year's team caught a break when Gonzaga lost, but still made the FF. But guys like Keels and Griffen were all over the map, which is the problem with freshman.
My take is you shouldn't exclusively recruit top 30 guys, as they will likely all be one and done. Yes you get the best guys, but only for one year. And they may be great NBA prospects, but aren't always finished products. Transfers can help with experience. And if you recruit transfers with a few years of eligibility you can get them back, like Gonzaga with Bolton.
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Are you goofy? I live in North Carolina and the Duke fans around me were insanely irate at K
Based on results, Coach K is the best college coach of the last 35 years or so. The truth sucks sometimes.
I honestly wonder if Kentucky beat Duke in 1992 if all this Duke hate would be such an intense thing?
He sure didn't give a sh*t about defense most of the time.
Man,its hard to win the NCAAT. A lot harder than most realize. A lot of very, very good teams have fell short....Look at 1983 Houston----hell even Louisville. 1985 Georgetown....UNLV in 1991. So on and so on. In a one game elimination tournament, its just tough.
Agree with the KU getting UNC........Duke was a terrible match-up for Kansas.
Dukes getting a lot of passes in this thread. If they hit this, if they shot free throws, if they saved a timeout BLAH BLAH BLAH. Disgusting. Worse, this mentality is not passed on to UK, where they would be deemed as pathetic excuses. Which they are.
In Coach Ks last year, he had the most talent from Day 1. If you watched Duke play us in November, be honest that you didn’t call them a rag tag bunch of overachievers. You called them the most talented team in the country.
Now that the ending wasn’t a fairy tale, boo hoo... it’s no different than 2015. Clearly the most talented team in the nation did not win the national title, take the Duke excuses and burn them in the trash. They have no place in modern society let alone on a UK message board.
In Coach Ks last year, he had the most talent from Day 1. If you watched Duke play us in November, be honest that you didn’t call them a rag tag bunch of overachievers. You called them the most talented team in the country.
Now that the ending wasn’t a fairy tale, boo hoo... it’s no different than 2015. Clearly the most talented team in the nation did not win the national title, take the Duke excuses and burn them in the trash. They have no place in modern society let alone on a UK message board.
It just happens.
A 1 loss and you're out style tournament lends to chaos. 1 bad shooting night, a couple bad calls, one guy on the other team shooting out of his mind, it doesn't take much to tip the balance of the scales.
A team has to be truly dominant to take chance away from the equation. There haven't been many college basketball teams that fit that bill.
A 1 loss and you're out style tournament lends to chaos. 1 bad shooting night, a couple bad calls, one guy on the other team shooting out of his mind, it doesn't take much to tip the balance of the scales.
A team has to be truly dominant to take chance away from the equation. There haven't been many college basketball teams that fit that bill.
How did Duke not win the title in 1999 is the bigger question lol
I think it is more specific than that. The feeling in W Ky at that time was elation that we were back and even competing with Duke in that game with a bunch of home grown, slow Ky kids on nothing but heart and determination.
The key moment that inspired a lifelong hatred for Duke was when Laetner stomped on Timberlake (and got away with it). Duke has been the villain since then, and K continued to recruit those type players and allow (seemingly even encourage) that type of behaviour.
Now, I am going to conveniently ignore that Travis Ford exacted revenge for that act by leg locking a Duke player on the floor a couple of years later in the tourney (and got away with it!)...... but he had it coming, right?
I remember that championship game where an Arizona player helped prop up Jay Williams.
