Horrible tragedy in Texas - at least 14 kids dead.

[Perrin75]

This article is from 2017 and was written after the Las Vegas shootings. It basically lays out why we have no real solutions that can be put into place for Mass Shootings. From the article:

Passed in 1997 with the strong backing of the NRA, the so-called "Dickey Amendment" effectively bars the national Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from studying firearm violence -- an epidemic the American Medical Association has since dubbed "a public health crisis."

The amendment, which was first tucked into an appropriations bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton, stipulates that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control." A similar provision was included in the Appropriations Act of 2012.

Named for Republican Rep. Jay Dickey of Arkansas, a self-proclaimed "point man for the NRA" on The Hill -- the Dickey amendment does not explicitly ban CDC research on gun violence. But along with the gun control line came a $2.6 million budget cut -- the exact amount that the agency had spent on firearm research the year prior -- and a quiet wariness.

As one doctor put it, "Precisely what was or was not permitted under the clause was unclear ... but no federal employee was willing to risk his or her career or the agency's funding to find out."

Critics argue that the government should not try to limit the collection of scientific information, which is by nature apolitical.

 

[cole854]

Steve Kerr speaks the truth.

You and Kerr can exit stage left now.



https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...e-police-from-oakland-school-grounds/2314596/

 

[ThroughBlue]

If the schools in Cumberland county Kentucky can keep an armed guard at the school than so can the ones in Texas

 

[JFCats22]

I am pro-gun and a Republican. However, I (and 90% of the US) are in favor of tougher background checks. It's absolutely ridiculous that the government cannot get this passed. It is way too easy to buy firearms and something needs to be done.

There is no argument that the status quo is working and we should simply keep doing what we have been. Enough is enough, we are the only civilized society in the world where these things happen with this frequency.

Mental health absolutely needs to be addressed as well but doing one or the other isn't going to work. It needs to be both.

 

[Bill Cosby]

This article is from 2017 and was written after the Las Vegas shootings. It basically lays out why we have no real solutions that can be put into place for Mass Shootings. From the article:

Passed in 1997 with the strong backing of the NRA, the so-called "Dickey Amendment" effectively bars the national Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from studying firearm violence -- an epidemic the American Medical Association has since dubbed "a public health crisis."

The amendment, which was first tucked into an appropriations bill signed into law by President Bill Clinton, stipulates that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control." A similar provision was included in the Appropriations Act of 2012.

Named for Republican Rep. Jay Dickey of Arkansas, a self-proclaimed "point man for the NRA" on The Hill -- the Dickey amendment does not explicitly ban CDC research on gun violence. But along with the gun control line came a $2.6 million budget cut -- the exact amount that the agency had spent on firearm research the year prior -- and a quiet wariness.

As one doctor put it, "Precisely what was or was not permitted under the clause was unclear ... but no federal employee was willing to risk his or her career or the agency's funding to find out."

Critics argue that the government should not try to limit the collection of scientific information, which is by nature apolitical.

So “no real solutions can be put into place” because this amendment won’t let the CDC promote gun control?

Has it occurred to you there May be other real solutions that aren’t gun control?

 

[JFCats22]

If the schools in Cumberland county Kentucky can keep an armed guard at the school than so can the ones in Texas

I agree, but that's a stupid argument. Why should armed guards need to be stationed at schools? That's a huge part of the issue, if people can't see that needing a militia to keep kids safe at school is a problem then those people are completely broken.

 

[ThroughBlue]

I agree, but that's a stupid argument. Why should armed guards need to be stationed at schools? That's a huge part of the issue, if people can't see that needing a militia to keep kids safe at school is a problem then those people are completely broken.

An armed guard isn’t a militia. Lmao. What a stupid thing to say. There would be retired cops lining up to do this job ANYWHERE

 

[the nail at the foul line]

I agree, but that's a stupid argument. Why should armed guards need to be stationed at schools? That's a huge part of the issue, if people can't see that needing a militia to keep kids safe at school is a problem then those people are completely broken.

Because.

There are no perfect solutions. Everything is a trade off. Some teachers trained in firearms and carrying might give pause to the next shooter.

It is a shame it has to be that way. It is a bigger shame to ignore it.

I am glad no teachers were carrying when I was in school or I wouldn't be here.

 

[JFCats22]

An armed guard isn’t a militia. Lmao. What a stupid thing to say. There would be retired cops lining up to do this job ANYWHERE

You think one old guy with a gun stops what happened yesterday?

 

[the nail at the foul line]

You think one old guy with a gun stops what happened yesterday?

Possibly.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

People need to believe in God today. When we began to completely eliminate the idea of a creator the world went completely mad. People need to think they’re going to be judged by a higher standard. If everything is just chaotic chance, why not commit crimes?

I suppose that you believe a teenager in Texas had never been exposed to or heard of the xtian god?

And I’m trying hard to understand how teaching kids about a violent, psychotic, genocidal god will make them know that killing is wrong. Like, if you tell them about how this man that lives somewhere above the clouds got really angry. And he spared one family of highly skilled ship builders, and just 2 of each animal, and then drown every other living thing on the planet. And afterward he saw all the death that he caused he was no longer angry. Now children…go forth and be more like this god!

 

[ThroughBlue]

You think one old guy with a gun stops what happened yesterday?

Yes. But I also think it could have deterred it from even beginning

 

[Bill Cosby]

For a little perspective, the same government you guys want taking away guns because that’s the only solution you can come up with just forced millions of kids to stay home to “protect” them from a disease that presented virtually no risk to them. Obviously this is a tragedy, and a classroom shooting makes for great political headlines, but is it worse than the thousands of children that the Cincinnati Public School district lost track of when they forced them to stay home? How many of those kids wound up dead or on the street after being the victims of shitty government policy (that was somehow worse than sending them to shitty government run schools)? Probably well more than 19.

This country doesn’t give a shit about the children or the focus would be on their mental health and safety, not a rush to put more gun restrictions in place to be enforced by a useless and corrupt government that can’t enforce the laws that are already in the books.

 

[_Mav_]

You think one old guy with a gun stops what happened yesterday?

Maybe, maybe not -- but one old guy with a gun is infinitely better than no old guys with guns.

 

[JoeSwag]

I agree, but that's a stupid argument. Why should armed guards need to be stationed at schools? That's a huge part of the issue, if people can't see that needing a militia to keep kids safe at school is a problem then those people are completely broken.

I think in a perfect world, we wouldn't need to do such a thing. But if we can have armed security for banks and politicians then I'd say protecting the most vulnerable should be on the table.

 

[TCurtis75]

Why do unbelievers insist on insulting believers like this? He didn't call you stupid. Why call him stupid?

He (and many “believers”) has repeatedly resorted to personal attacks in this entire thread. Don’t be shocked when it comes back at them.

 

[JoeSwag]

For a little perspective, the same government you guys want taking away guns because that’s the only solution you can come up with just forced millions of kids to stay home to “protect” them from a disease that presented virtually no risk to them. Obviously this is a tragedy, and a classroom shooting makes for great political headlines, but is it worse than the thousands of children that the Cincinnati Public School district lost track of when they forced them to stay home? How many of those kids wound up dead or on the street after being the victims of shitty government policy (that was somehow worse than sending them to shitty government run schools)? Probably well more than 19.

This country doesn’t give a shit about the children or the focus would be on their mental health and safety, not a rush to put more gun restrictions in place to be enforced by a useless and corrupt government that can’t enforce the laws that are already in the books.

Yep.

The crocodile tears from the anti-gun group is always on display. The disingenuous is always so obvious. These people could not care less about the massive gun violence issue in inner cities because blacks killing blacks with illegal weapons isn't newsworthy to them because there's no political gain to be had there.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

https://products.kitsapsun.com/archive/1999/06-12/0003_thomas_sowell__mass_shootings_and.html

 

[Gromcat]

I'd absolutely argue that violent video games have an effect on those who are mentally unstable. It's desensitizing. Does that mean that everyone who plays these games is a psycho? Nope. Not at all. For those who are mentally unstable, there's no way you can say that consuming violence and death doesn't contribute to their declining mental health. I imagine it's the same effect as the rapists who watch violent hardcore pornography.

Not a coincidence that so many mass shooters have two things in common- psych meds, big gamers. Combine that with a 24/7 news cycle that glorifies this shit and you have a cocktail of bread crumbs leading to pure evil.

Again, what changed in the 90s on for an increase in mass shootings when before that it was essentially non existent? I'd love to hear a theory because guns certainly didn't change. Media overwhelmingly changed.

There is no link between video games and gun violence. None. It’s been beat to death. This whole idea began with columbine and doom, which had nothing to do with Eric and Dylan killing those kids. Take doom away, the kids still die.

Definitely agree on the news cycle and copycats, but the video games do not create killers. Anti psychotics are definitely playing with fire especially in the past with little research and overprescribing / Misdiagnosis- but the video games aren’t causing mass killers.

Having said that I don’t allow my kids to play them.

 

[JFCats22]

I think in a perfect world, we wouldn't need to do such a thing. But if we can have armed security for banks and politicians then I'd say protecting the most vulnerable should be on the table.

I don't disagree with that. What I disagree with is those (and there have been a lot) that act like that is the solution to the problem.

 

[Ed323232]

What did he have to say about the man who was randomly killed on the nyc subway Sunday?

You really are the worst.

 

[Gromcat]

I suppose that you believe a teenager in Texas had never been exposed to or heard of the xtian god?

And I’m trying hard to understand how teaching kids about a violent, psychotic, genocidal god will make them know that killing is wrong. Like, if you tell them about how this man that lives somewhere above the clouds got really angry. And he spared one family of highly skilled ship builders, and just 2 of each animal, and then drown every other living thing on the planet. And afterward he saw all the death that he caused he was no longer angry. Now children…go forth and be more like this god!

You’re obviously not the type that wants it. These kids are lost. I work with them daily, so keep your anti-God sarcasm where it belongs.

I can’t tell you how many troubled youth are helped by being active in church and forming a bond with a higher power. For you to even suggest it’s nonsense shows you don’t need to have any sort of influence on troubled youth.

Also, it’s not two of each animal. It’s two of each kind, which doesn’t require what you think it does. You’re no biblical scholar. You sound ridiculous. Stop.

 

[wildcatsboston1984]

Looks like all you easily manipulated folks fell hook, line, and sinker for the "shooter is a transgender" fake news

GOP Rep. Paul Gosar spread a baseless transphobic rumor that the Uvalde school shooting suspect was a 'transsexual leftist illegal alien'

The suspect was identified by authorities as an 18-year-old male who was a resident of the community and had also shot his grandmother.

www.businessinsider.in

This false claim has been proliferating on social media with photos of a transgender person unrelated to the attack. The images appear to have been taken off the Reddit account of a transgender artist.

Among the social media accounts that shared such images is a Facebook page called "North Florida Patriots."

The page has since corrected its post, with its operators stating that they "won't be lectured" by people looking to make the shooting a political issue and turn it into a "gun grab."

 

[Tskware]

I think in a perfect world, we wouldn't need to do such a thing. But if we can have armed security for banks and politicians then I'd say protecting the most vulnerable should be on the table.

I am in banks all the time I have not seen any armed guards at least in the branches I frequent

 

[ThroughBlue]

Looks like all you easily manipulated folks fell hook, line, and sinker for the "shooter is a transgender" fake news

GOP Rep. Paul Gosar spread a baseless transphobic rumor that the Uvalde school shooting suspect was a 'transsexual leftist illegal alien'

The suspect was identified by authorities as an 18-year-old male who was a resident of the community and had also shot his grandmother.

www.businessinsider.in

Who cares?

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

You’re obviously not the type that wants it. These kids are lost. I work with them daily, so keep your anti-God sarcasm where it belongs.

I can’t tell you how many troubled youth are helped by being active in church and forming a bond with a higher power. For you to even suggest it’s nonsense shows you don’t need to have any sort of influence on troubled youth.

Also, it’s not two of each animal. It’s two of each kind, which doesn’t require what you think it does. You’re no biblical scholar. You sound ridiculous. Stop.

Pretty much the response I expected.

 

[Ed323232]

I am in banks all the time I have not seen any armed guards at least in the branches I frequent

Neither have I.

 

[wkycatfan]

pretty sure if i go try to buy a gun today, i'll get a background check, and i'm okay with that. but the whole movement seems like an attempt to federalize everything, which also might be fine, if i felt like it would stop there, which i don't.......the whole frog in slowly boiling water thing

 

[JoeSwag]

Looks like all you easily manipulated folks fell hook, line, and sinker for the "shooter is a transgender" fake news

GOP Rep. Paul Gosar spread a baseless transphobic rumor that the Uvalde school shooting suspect was a 'transsexual leftist illegal alien'

The suspect was identified by authorities as an 18-year-old male who was a resident of the community and had also shot his grandmother.

www.businessinsider.in

You only care if a shooter is white. That's it. If anyone other than whites do it, it's about the gun. If a white guy does it, it's a condemnation of whites. Run interference for every other identity group. Bitch about whites. Rinse and repeat.

 

[JoeSwag]

I am in banks all the time I have not seen any armed guards at least in the branches I frequent

Okay. Well, armed guards at banks are a thing. I didn't just make it up.

The point is, we have armed guards for things that are less important than schools and kids so why should that not be given priority?

 

[TCurtis75]

People keep saying arm the teachers or have an armed guard at the school. How long until police mistake the armed teacher for the shooter?

At the mass shooting in Dayton in 2019, police killed the gunman within 32 seconds of him opening fire. He still killed 9 people and wounded 17. Is that an acceptable casualty rate?

 

[JBHolmesfan]

You only care if a shooter is white. That's it. If anyone other than whites do it, it's about the gun. If a white guy does it, it's a condemnation of whites. Run interference for every other identity group. Bitch about whites. Rinse and repeat.

This shows how disingenuous they can be when it comes to this stuff. Obviously no one wants these shootings to happen, but the outrage from the left is certainly louder when it’s a white shooter or a far right nutjob.

 

[Ed323232]

People keep saying arm the teachers or have an armed guard at the school. How long until police mistake the armed teacher for the shooter?

At the mass shooting in Dayton in 2019, police killed the gunman within 32 seconds of him opening fire. He still killed 9 people and wounded 17. Is that an acceptable casualty rate?

Most teachers would not want to be armed.

 

[FirewithFire]

It’s hard to believe that in 2022 we still have a few people that actually think video games cause gun violence. I mean the literature is there, it’s so settled you don’t hear the old advocates still using it as a reason. Yet here I am, being told I’m retarded by a guy that cites controlling video game content as a measure to stop gun violence.

I’m telling ya, pluck two gnats off a dogs ass and more can be accomplished this day and age.

Cals right, I’m going home to walk the dogs.

We agree on most things, but all media has an affect here. Have you played any video games recently? FPSs maybe? Graphics are becoming photo realistic, add in VR and you have what DARPA was trying to achieve when they created Pong....a training simulator.

If a kid with mental problems sits around all day shooting "bots" that look like people you can damn well believe it gets in their heads. You can also gain some good tactical experience by playing shooters too. Try a game of ARMA with dedicated players and get back to me.

The same can be said if someone just sits around watching simulation snuff films, or TV violence, or whatever. It all adds fuel to the fire when someone's mind is already a tinderbox. It's past time to realize that what you consume affects your thoughts and mental disposition, and if that disposition is already jacked up.....well.

 

[DanCat17]

Most teachers would not want to be armed.

And to add, no teacher should need to be armed.

That is such a ridiculous suggestion. And the people suggesting it are the ones who were up in arms when teachers went on strike demanding better pay. They want to arm teachers so they have to be the ones who shoot the intruders all for 30k a year.

 

[JoeSwag]

There is no link between video games and gun violence. None. It’s been beat to death. This whole idea began with columbine and doom, which had nothing to do with Eric and Dylan killing those kids. Take doom away, the kids still die.

Definitely agree on the news cycle and copycats, but the video games do not create killers. Anti psychotics are definitely playing with fire especially in the past with little research and overprescribing / Misdiagnosis- but the video games aren’t causing mass killers.

Having said that I don’t allow my kids to play them.

The methodology of any study that examines people who are not messed up versus those who are mentally off is not going to produce correct data.

You playing a virtual realty game of violence isn't going to do anything to you. Someone who is effed up and on psych meds, yes, I believe that has an effect. Same with alcohol. Some people can handle a drink. Some people cannot. To say that consuming violent shit doesn't create a desensitization just doesn't make sense to me.

Again, my argument isn't video games alone just turn normal people into killers. I'm saying a combination of people on psych meds consuming this shit on a daily basis is going to create issues. I think it says a lot that violent rapists consume violent pornography. I'd even say if entertainment has no impact on humans then why do we listen to sad songs when we're sad or listen to rock/rap to pump you up for games or weight lifting or what not?

Media has an impact and it's deadly for those who are mentally effed.

 

[warrior-cat]

I think in a perfect world, we wouldn't need to do such a thing. But if we can have armed security for banks and politicians then I'd say protecting the most vulnerable should be on the table.

Not to mention VIP's and Stars. All of them have protection but we don't want to do the same for our children.

 

[MrHotDice]

You're seriously comparing what takes place in Mexico to here? Seriously? Lol.

Unless it has changed, you have to pay to go to school in Mexico. That makes all the difference to the kids their as they see an education as a way to make themselves better.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Teachers should be armed with training on how to actually help kids, not spending all of their time fighting to ensure they can talk about their sex lives with kindergartners.

 

[MrHotDice]

I'd absolutely argue that violent video games have an effect on those who are mentally unstable. It's desensitizing. Does that mean that everyone who plays these games is a psycho? Nope. Not at all. For those who are mentally unstable, there's no way you can say that consuming violence and death doesn't contribute to their declining mental health. I imagine it's the same effect as the rapists who watch violent hardcore pornography.

Not a coincidence that so many mass shooters have two things in common- psych meds, big gamers. Combine that with a 24/7 news cycle that glorifies this shit and you have a cocktail of bread crumbs leading to pure evil.

Again, what changed in the 90s on for an increase in mass shootings when before that it was essentially non existent? I'd love to hear a theory because guns certainly didn't change. Media overwhelmingly changed.

Anti violence on tv was never added to these video games. The more blood, gang violence, the more fake killings is the norm.