Don't quote me, but I believe it is being reported that there were armed security guards at the school.
Ho-hum another school shooting...
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Don't quote me, but I believe it is being reported that there were armed security guards at the school.
We had our azz busted at school if we misbehaved. We had our ass busted at home if we misbehaved.........What changed?
For every armed teacher that would run out into a dangerous situation with good enough sense to determine who is bad guy vs. the possibly 1000s of good guys, there is a classroom of kids unattended and without an adult to protect them and make wise security decisions.
just sayin'
just sayin'
Kentucky prohibits any person from knowingly possessing or carrying a firearm, whether openly or concealed, in a building, on a bus, or on any other property owned, used or operated by any elementary or secondary public or private school
I'm not suggesting those who are not trained to be heroes run out and try to be a hero. I'm suggesting a gun protects you from bad guys with guns. That's all.
There are examples daily of good guys with guns deterring criminals. Guns are tools.
Adam Lanza killed 27 kids and adults in 5-6 minutes of shooting.
I don’t think arming the teachers would change much.
I don’t think arming the teachers would change much.
That's seen as "child abuse" now. Whereas before it was punishment and something that frightened kids if they did it. Now, no consequences for their actions. IMO
Then what would? Did he not get inside a locked door? Would he have stopped if a metal detector beeped?
Would one or two armed people in the front office possibly been able to stop him before he made his way into the school?
I think the answer is yes.
Almost if not all of these places are no gun zones. These crazies want us not to have guns. They don't want people shooting back so, you will still have these types of shooting in America and maybe even more if we got rid of guns. How many homes would be invaded if criminals knew that there were no guns.
Not all would but if only one did (more than that would) you stand a better chance of defending students.
Prohibition and drugs laws worked didn't they? No wait.....never mind.
I agree that guns are tools. I even agree that having armed teachers would probably be helpful, but ultimately, I don't think it is practical. For example: the county that I live in is very liberal (politically). There probably aren't 3 teachers in the county that have ccw or wold even consider it. Even then, no way the school board here would go for it.
To me, the issue comes down to a combination of mental health and access to guns. Access to guns is a protected right. Mental health runs a full spectrum of issues. Mental health can change by the day or even hour and I assume goes largely un-diagnosed due to the stigma attached to it.
I've read very little about this latest shooter, but it sounds like he had some warning signs that probably should have been used as a screening tool to dig deeper. But how to do that when medical info is private?
I hate it, but there really are no safe places anymore. Maybe there never were.
They would not have to carry a gun if they did not want to. Those that would will get training and being that they were willing to help out I bet would make them better.
Some one suggested retired officers and military who would do it as a means for something to do. You have enough in this country to probably help in most area's. They do not have to do it everyday, just switch out with others who were willing to do the same. I know several retirees in my area who are just looking for something to do. Couldn't hurt.
What happens if they don't hightail it? You make assumptions you cannot possibly know. Not all if any would hightail. Bad take.
I may have missed them, but other than limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds (and considering the ease with which a magazine can be changed this would have a very limited, if any, effect in reducing casualties), has anyone proposed any other "common sense gun control laws" that would have prevented these mass shootings?
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I live in Paducah, and have known his name for a while, just saying it hasn't been broadcast on the news that I know of.
Just checking in to see if Chase has any more false/fake/hoax videos or news about this shooting.
With the current political climate, I can definitely see the option of arming classroom teachers as an option that’ll be considered. Do we have money for textbooks . . . no. Do we have money for professional development for schools . . . no. Do we have money to provide transportation services to get students to school . . . no. Will we find money to pay school personnel a stipend to get their CCW and pack heat at school . . . most definitely. The NRA lobbyist will see to that.
If I had been an armed teacher nearby, it would have.
Um, the post I was responding to was making the assumption (which he could not possibly know) that there'd be 5-10 teachers at every school in the country willing to take a modest raise in exchange for arming themselves and committing to becoming the first line of defense against a mass murderer wielding military grade weaponry.
So, I think my assumption was pretty mild by comparison.
The short answer is that our culture has gone to shit. Lack of discipline, victim mentality, glorification of street thug criminals, over medication, family breakdown, normalized degeneracy, PC religion run amok, lack of values that promote and bind a healthy society, ....
All the product of the GD Marxist left bastards.
All the product of the GD Marxist left bastards.
Or talk about how the govt failed in the TX church shooting and this one.
Correct, I do not possibly know, the same way you do not possibly know. But I definitely think there would be more teachers willing to take on that responsibility, than properly trained armed teachers high tailing and running off at the first sign of violence. Unarmed teachers are standing up and dying for kids right now, cant imagine that would change if they were armed and properly trained.
Man, the assistant football coach/security guard died while shielding students from gunfire. What a hero.
What if that security guard had a weapon? What kind of security guard doesn’t have a weapon?
What if that security guard had a weapon? What kind of security guard doesn’t have a weapon?
Man, I was a security guard for a day once. The only weapons I had were my fists. Thunder & Lightning. Made min. wage and got to wear a uniform.
We have security guards where I work. They would be useless in a fight, only good for calling the cops - maybe.
Assuming that we just can't get rid of all guns.. you know, unless we close our borders (ahem, liberals):
The only thing that would have prevented this is an armed officer, armed faculty or right to carry. The kid wasn't even allowed back on campus with a backpack. He had an affinity for guns, which for the mentally sane, is fine. And he was clearly said to be unstable.
What else would have stopped someone from shooting the door locks and killing people without anyone realistically standing in the way? Unfortunately, assuming the first statement, you need guns in the school to prevent this.
The only thing that would have prevented this is an armed officer, armed faculty or right to carry. The kid wasn't even allowed back on campus with a backpack. He had an affinity for guns, which for the mentally sane, is fine. And he was clearly said to be unstable.
What else would have stopped someone from shooting the door locks and killing people without anyone realistically standing in the way? Unfortunately, assuming the first statement, you need guns in the school to prevent this.
Everyone instantly jumps to the shootout conclusion b/t teachers and student and forgets the aspect of a gunman being less ambitious to attack a known protected area in the first place.
And good Lord and a quarter, no, you wouldn't mandate old Mrs. Applebaum pack a .44 in her purse. I see these young teachers that can't even control the number of times they put a fork in their mouths, so again, no, you wouldn't mandate every teacher learn to regulate with a firearm. You give them the option to accept that responsibility. I would have though that concept was pretty straightforward.
And good Lord and a quarter, no, you wouldn't mandate old Mrs. Applebaum pack a .44 in her purse. I see these young teachers that can't even control the number of times they put a fork in their mouths, so again, no, you wouldn't mandate every teacher learn to regulate with a firearm. You give them the option to accept that responsibility. I would have though that concept was pretty straightforward.
Sadly, most gun owners are painted with the same brush by the media as these pathetic sociopaths/lunatics or the terrified 3% that load up on guns in case someone darker than them moves within 5 miles.
You make another good point. Well 2 now that we know Mrs. Applebaum doesn't need to go Dirty Harry.
Definitely and hopefully less ambition for a gunman to enter school property knowing there are armed defenders inside. Instead of a Gun Free Zone sign in front, how about a school guarded by armed teachers sign?
There is no exact solution, but I think that would deter plenty.
Lock up schools, give all the teachers guns, add metal detectors, add security guards, etc. etc. and guess what will happen. Some nut job will just wait for school to let out and just start shooting kids as they are exiting the school just like that terrorist did when the concert was letting out last year or in Vegas where everyone was out in the open. Point being, if someone has a strong desire to mass kill they are going to find the guns (legally or illegally) and they are going to carry out their plan one way or another.
Since we can't offend anyone who is mentally ill by trying to get them help rather than normalizing their psychopathic behavior, maybe we should just educate kids remotely over the internet. That way they're never gathered in one spot.
Any other fixes we could try that would negatively impact every single person in the country other than the psychopath doing the shooting? Obviously we've all heard the arguments for eliminating all guns.
Any other fixes we could try that would negatively impact every single person in the country other than the psychopath doing the shooting? Obviously we've all heard the arguments for eliminating all guns.
I fully support letting the teachers to chose if they want to have a concealed weapon. Give them free CCW classes and a discount on their firearm.
But the previous mention of having an armed guard for every 100 students just isn't economically feasible with cash strapped districts.
Kentucky's governor is slashing the education budget by 6%, I can't see them buying even an extra security guard.
They would have to raise school taxes again, and it already well over my state and local bill combined.
Let teachers carry concealed if they wish.
Back packs have to be clear.
The way we think about building school campuses has to change. With a check point like TSA where parents and students have to park outside a fenced off campus before passing through it.
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