Here are the 2 that voted for Virginia.....here comes the noise...
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I read the article and didn't see a problem with it. He said he voted based on the way teams were playing right now and the Cats did not play well last week. A win over ranked ND in South Bend is much more impressive than two overtime wins against sub-par opponents.
He also said he would have UK back as his #1 if their play improves over its next few opponents and UVA drops a game or two. I want UK to end the season at #1 so we get the overall 1 seed for the NCAAT. Other than that I could care less about losses and rankings in mid January, but that's just me.
He also said he would have UK back as his #1 if their play improves over its next few opponents and UVA drops a game or two. I want UK to end the season at #1 so we get the overall 1 seed for the NCAAT. Other than that I could care less about losses and rankings in mid January, but that's just me.
I read it and he does defend his reasoning well, however there is a lot in his article that basically states "I am looking for reasons to not vote for Kentucky". Oh well I'll take #9 over any #1 seeding or even a perfect season (although the thought is always nice)
The problem with the "they didn't look so good last week" argument is that it completely erases what happened 2 weeks prior and beyond that might differentiate the teams.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I still view a road win over Louisville as being superior to a road win over Notre Dame.
I feel much better about an argument that discusses a team's overall performance rather than simply looking at how a team looked last week.
It gets even worse as the season progresses. At some point, both UK and UVa will lose and there is a good chance that they will be bumped down below teams that have more losses and less impressive wins just because that's what you're supposed to do.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I still view a road win over Louisville as being superior to a road win over Notre Dame.
I feel much better about an argument that discusses a team's overall performance rather than simply looking at how a team looked last week.
It gets even worse as the season progresses. At some point, both UK and UVa will lose and there is a good chance that they will be bumped down below teams that have more losses and less impressive wins just because that's what you're supposed to do.
I don't give a crap how they looked,Kentucky won in ugly games and that's all that matters. Most of the ugliness was because of A&M's getting away with a lot and terrible officiating. I've looked at the A&M game twice on replay and it was one of the poorest officiated games I've seen this year.
Feinstein is a known UK Hater because of Kentucky beating his Dukies in 78'
Kentucky has more Top 25 wins than Virginia,started out at #1 and hasn't lost yet,so any other reasoning is pure ignorance or pure hate
Feinstein is a known UK Hater because of Kentucky beating his Dukies in 78'
Kentucky has more Top 25 wins than Virginia,started out at #1 and hasn't lost yet,so any other reasoning is pure ignorance or pure hate
I've got no gripe with anybody voting UVa #1 right now.
They're coming off two great wins and we're coming off two unabated tire fires.
They're coming off two great wins and we're coming off two unabated tire fires.
Well that is how it is determined, by week to week, combined with beginning of the year estimations. So, if you are a top ranked team and lose a game you don't fall out of the top 20 but do go down. But, again, I guess neither watched Virginia at Miami (I must be the only one). Virginia did not look good at all and would have lost if Miami didn't make some incredibly stupid plays at the end as well as simply run out of gas. It wasn't like at all like the Kentucky games.
Based on his reasoning (how UK is playing as of RIGHT NOW), UK should be much lower in the rankings. Maybe around 20.
Being undefeated has to count for something...since the polls are voted on weekly, we are led to believe the body of work for the previous week is on display.
I don't see the harm in some people voting UVA #1....doesn't bother me one bit.
We are number 1 in BPI, RPI, Sagarin, KenPom, and have better wins, but by all means please let wins over ND and NCState be your determining factor. I don't care if he had Clarence Darrow and Alan Dershowitz, his case has no defense.
Why isn't Texas ever listed in our good wins? Up until last night they were in the top ten!? It's alwasy UNC, UL, KS...
They are reverting to form, as most B-12 teams do once in conference. I am pretty much the lone dissenting voice about that conference, but I just get tired of hearing the same thing every year about how great the B-12 is only to have them do nothing in the post-season.
Part of it is the unconscious bias the voters have when they assess the teams. You give a number of SEC teams the same resume of Texas and they probably wouldn't be any better than 20th or higher, and may not be ranked at all. I know they are now 20th, but it applies when they were 10th as well. Arkansas is 22nd in the BPI, and Iowa State is 23rd, but in the AP ISU is 11th, while Arkansas is 19th.
It's a built-in bias that perpetuates itself, partly based on the actual performance of SEC teams in the OOC part of the season, but part of it is just the pall that hangs over the conference because everyone says how weak it is every year. And I am not one of those saying how good the SEC team is either. I know it's not great, and that the B-12 is better most seasons, but not enough to justify so many of their teams being ranked as highly as they are.
This post was edited on 1/12 5:08 PM by SilentsAreGolden
Sure he does, assuming you can actually believe what he says is actually how things work. That's the trouble. It isn't. The vote is JUST about this week? I call utter and complete bullshit. If that were the case the poll would change wildly from week to week. It absolutely, positively, NEVER does.
Why did he vote the way he did? Because he thought he could justify it slightly and bring attention to himself in the process. The fact that he wrote an article to talk about (himself) is evidence of that. Ask yourself, how many times and how often have you seen a voter write an article to discuss their vote? Exactly.
I'd also just love to know where he voted Virginia last week when they struggled mightily and took 2 OTs to beat Miami. I'm guessing it wasn't much of a factor then. Funny how that works.
This post was edited on 1/12 5:33 PM by Seth C
Excerpt from ESPN article today:
1. What's the most concerning part for Kentucky in all these close games it has played?
Andy Katz: The Wildcats are still trying to figure out who should play and when. They haven't shot the ball exceptionally well and will need to do so if more teams attempt to zone them in the future. They are still finding ways to win, but making free throws down the stretch would relieve some anxiety. But I've changed my tune a tad. Kentucky is still the team to beat for the title, but I won't be surprised to see the Wildcats lose a game in the SEC.
Dana O'Neil: Kentucky has an extra gear; the Wildcats sometimes wait too long to go to it. That mIGHT work against Ole Miss and Texas A&M, but it's going to bite the Cats if they aren't careful. Kentucky needs to play to its talent level -- not to the level of it's competition.
Eamonn Brennan: Ole Miss made a bunch of shots, and sometimes people are going to have crazy shooting nights against you. Against Texas A&M, Kentucky's offense was the problem. That's slightly more concerning because we've had a great taste of how good this defense has been. Kentucky has looked a little less certain offensively, and when you see them limp to the finish against a so-so A&M team, that's disconcerting.
2. Duke's loss: Blip on the radar or reason to worry?
Katz: It's a blip. This Duke team is more talented than any other team outside of Kentucky. The Blue Devils are bound to lose ACC road games. There could be a few more in the ensuing weeks. That doesn't mean Duke won't compete for the title.
O'Neil: More blip than worry -- losing to a decent NC State team on the road isn't the end of the world. But the Blue Devils were exposed on defense, and that's a potential Achilles heel.
Brennan: Eh, blip. Road losses in conference play happen. There are some things Duke could do better on the defensive end, to be sure, but they'll be fine.
1. What's the most concerning part for Kentucky in all these close games it has played?
Andy Katz: The Wildcats are still trying to figure out who should play and when. They haven't shot the ball exceptionally well and will need to do so if more teams attempt to zone them in the future. They are still finding ways to win, but making free throws down the stretch would relieve some anxiety. But I've changed my tune a tad. Kentucky is still the team to beat for the title, but I won't be surprised to see the Wildcats lose a game in the SEC.
Dana O'Neil: Kentucky has an extra gear; the Wildcats sometimes wait too long to go to it. That mIGHT work against Ole Miss and Texas A&M, but it's going to bite the Cats if they aren't careful. Kentucky needs to play to its talent level -- not to the level of it's competition.
Eamonn Brennan: Ole Miss made a bunch of shots, and sometimes people are going to have crazy shooting nights against you. Against Texas A&M, Kentucky's offense was the problem. That's slightly more concerning because we've had a great taste of how good this defense has been. Kentucky has looked a little less certain offensively, and when you see them limp to the finish against a so-so A&M team, that's disconcerting.
2. Duke's loss: Blip on the radar or reason to worry?
Katz: It's a blip. This Duke team is more talented than any other team outside of Kentucky. The Blue Devils are bound to lose ACC road games. There could be a few more in the ensuing weeks. That doesn't mean Duke won't compete for the title.
O'Neil: More blip than worry -- losing to a decent NC State team on the road isn't the end of the world. But the Blue Devils were exposed on defense, and that's a potential Achilles heel.
Brennan: Eh, blip. Road losses in conference play happen. There are some things Duke could do better on the defensive end, to be sure, but they'll be fine.
I suppose the above is some slight to UK?
I agree with them the Duke loss in a vacuum is a blip in the radar. If they lose to UL, UVA, NC, etc, coming up though it won't be so much.
And they are all correct in that we need to play better on offense. No story there, but all think we will be fine overall...omg, they think we might lose one game in the SEC. The way we have been playing I might take that now if you offered me 33-1 going into the tourney despite our current undefeated mark. I'm greedy so I say play on and let's see if we can win them all, but tempting.
I agree with them the Duke loss in a vacuum is a blip in the radar. If they lose to UL, UVA, NC, etc, coming up though it won't be so much.
And they are all correct in that we need to play better on offense. No story there, but all think we will be fine overall...omg, they think we might lose one game in the SEC. The way we have been playing I might take that now if you offered me 33-1 going into the tourney despite our current undefeated mark. I'm greedy so I say play on and let's see if we can win them all, but tempting.
Blue Tinted Glasses? Well Excuse me,but last time I checked Kentucky was 15-0 ,has beat 4 Top 25 Teams and 6 Top 50 Teams,this is a better resume than Virginia, Virginia had some close games too,but I sure never saw anyone jumping them in the rankings.
If you think Kentucky will play this way every game,you better get some glasses period.
This happens every year when Calipari starts tinkering with things,doesn't mean it's some permanent problem.
Kentucky has the 32nd ranked Offense , Virginia has the 118th ranked offense,but somehow they are inherently better?
This post was edited on 1/12 6:25 PM by Bluest Member
I just don't get why you people get so upset about 2 meaningless votes in the AP poll and the 1 lone ranger in the coaches poll.
And we both know people have short term memories. That is why Gonzaga is ranked ahead of a lot of better teams despite Duke having just one loss as well. Duke just loss, Gonzaga lost a while ago. UK "struggled" this past week, while UVA got their best win of the year AT ND.
I'm not upset about the 2 votes so much as the horseshit the talking heads are spewing and the rationalization of how UK sucks because of its 32nd ranked Offense,but Virginia is better with it's 118th ranked offense.
I can post the entire list of facts,but I've done it in 2 threads already,UK has UVA beat in every determining factor,ESPN has had an Anti-UK and Pro-ACC bias since the beginning,and several sports writers are UK Haters.
I can post the entire list of facts,but I've done it in 2 threads already,UK has UVA beat in every determining factor,ESPN has had an Anti-UK and Pro-ACC bias since the beginning,and several sports writers are UK Haters.
I had to quit reading after this:
"Kentucky has great wins - Louisville, Kansas, North Carolina. Virginia
can counter that with Maryland, VCU and Notre Dame, not to mention the
N.C. State team that just beat Duke."
He does realize that's the same NC St team got beaten by Wofford at home right? VCU? Maryland? meh..
"Kentucky has great wins - Louisville, Kansas, North Carolina. Virginia
can counter that with Maryland, VCU and Notre Dame, not to mention the
N.C. State team that just beat Duke."
He does realize that's the same NC St team got beaten by Wofford at home right? VCU? Maryland? meh..
Virginia is good. I guess they are the flavor of the day. Duke. duke. duke .duke............oh wait a minute Virginia is good they didn't lose to NC State. Laughable.
Please tell me how many polls, stats, and etc that we don't rank higher than Virginia then maybe these haters can talk.
After reading that article I see no reason why he should ever have had a vote in the first place.
UVA might be playing better than UK right now. If it's a weekly poll what's the big deal if someone thinks UVA is playing the best ball in the country right now. I have no problem with the vote. It's also doesn't mean a damn thing anyways.
