Happy Birthday Larry Bird...the GOAT imo.
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The Goat of what ? He is a top 10 player sure but no where near Jordan , Lebron , Russell IMO .
I would say he is top 5 for sure and you can make an argument he is the best ever. He probably hit more game winning shots that any player in history. Anybody that can play a whole game left handed and still score 27 just because you're bored has to be one of the best ever.
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When you said “Russell” I thought you meant Westbrook for a second
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His numbers are phenomenal. My favorite player of all time, in an era where you could get decapitated going to the rim.
Probably the GOAT Basketball brain/IQ.. If you were to build the greatest player, you're going to use Larry's mind and probably his heart too..
Whether you like him as a person or not, Jordan is the greatest of all time. The actual debate begins with who's #2. For me, Lebron is 2nd, then Wilt 3rd, Magic 4th, Kareem 5th. I'd have Bill Russell 6th, Oscar Robertson 7th, Bird 8th. At number 9, Jerry West, 10 Kobe Bryant.
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What makes Bird's IQ and brain superior to Jordan's or Magic's or LeBron's or any other all-time elite?
Incredible player though. His old tapes are so much fun to watch. He was brutal when he knew he had you. All-time trash talker. Shame injuries cut him short.
Incredible player though. His old tapes are so much fun to watch. He was brutal when he knew he had you. All-time trash talker. Shame injuries cut him short.
His birthday is December 7th. I know because he shares the same birthday as my Dad and Johnny Bench.
Someday there will be a GOAT thread here for AD.
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Too slow for UK per Joe B.
Biggest mis-evaluation of all time.
Biggest mis-evaluation of all time.
Please don't disgrace some of the all time greats with mentioning Queen James.
He's a great player but getting ready to jump ship again to try and not lose another finals.
He's a great player but getting ready to jump ship again to try and not lose another finals.
Whether you like him or not, Lebron is better than Bird. You're so angry all the time, I've noticed.
I'd go Jordan/Kareem at 1. I just can't distinguish between them, really. Jordan's cultural impact is greater, but Kareem accomplished more. They play different positions so it's impossible to compare abilities.
Second I'd go with whoever you don't want at #1, third LeBron, fourth Magic, fifth Wilt, sixth Bird, seventh Oscar, eighth West, ninth Kobe, tenth either Duncan, Shaq or Hakeem. Wouldn't argue much with anyone who wanted either of those three over the others.
I just hate Cleveland and LeBron... And Louisville, Indiana, Duke, UNCheat, trolls and papa John's Pizza.
Other than that I'm usually pretty happy.
That may or may not be true; it is subjective, and the criteria are different for each person. I tend to agree with you about Jordan. But why would you have LeBron ahead of Bird?
Lebron is a better all around individual basketball player but I would still pick Bird over Lebron in a pickup game because Bird was just flat out a winner and made everyone around him better. Your team ALWAYS stood a chance of winning if Bird was on the floor (the uninjured years). Jordan is still the GOAT imo.
The 30 for 30 about Bird and his trash talking is pretty good. He had the respect of his peers.
They both have impressive accomplishments, so that leaves ability. I give LBJ an edge there. Don't get me wrong, all these players are neck and neck, except for MJ, (IMHO).
Bird could and did anything LeBron can on the court. Plus Bird a better passer and shooter.
Obviously Birds body and athleticism did him no favors. So what was that equalizer that he posessed to be so successful and to put him in the same conversation with the Jordans, Lebrons, etc who have defintely had athleticism as an advantage and a large contributing factor to their greatness?
Skill? Smarts? Has to be one of those.
You sir are an idiot. No one was more savvy nor could process the pill like Bird. Sure Jordan was great, but Bird played the game the way it was meant to be played.
LBJ is a punk. He couldn’t handle the physical play of the 80’s. Bird was unreal in terms of understanding the game. Lebron is a whiny loser.
Bird can't do anything Lebron can do. Lebron has the edge athletically, is a better slasher, quicker, better defender.
I will pick Bird every time in a pick up game.
This is overblown. These players would be great in any era. These are GOAT's.
It’s not over blown. Indiana State!!! Who else could lead them to a title game.
Career stats for Player 1
27.1 ppg
8.4 rpg
9 apg
54.4% FG
36% 3pt
73.7% FT
Career stats for Player 2
24.3 ppg
10 rpg
6.3 apg
49.6% FG
37.6% 3pt
88.6% FT
You can't go wrong with either one. Both are Hall of Famers as well as Top 10 players of all-time.
27.1 ppg
8.4 rpg
9 apg
54.4% FG
36% 3pt
73.7% FT
Career stats for Player 2
24.3 ppg
10 rpg
6.3 apg
49.6% FG
37.6% 3pt
88.6% FT
You can't go wrong with either one. Both are Hall of Famers as well as Top 10 players of all-time.
You answered your own question, in part. He always was a step ahead of you, even if physically he was two steps behind you. He lived in player's heads. He had moxy and grit and made the right plays.
I think he absolutely has a better brain/IQ (and heart for certain) than Lebron. Lebron is winning games because of his physical traits.
Lebron is number 1 and I really dislike him. Jordan is a close 2nd but when Lebron is finished it won't even be close.
BS numbers.
One had injuries that cut numbers down.
One is still in prime.
Other played with all time greats he shared ball with.
And Larry Bird's birthday is December 7th so what is this thread about?
his anticipation. i’d say jordan could improvise offensively as good or better (mostly in the air) but you didn’t see mj making tip passes or behind his head passes. anticipation and improvisation made bird a legendary play maker.
He lacked the kill instinct Bird had.
I love Bird and hate Lebron. That said, shooting was the only thing Bird did better than Lebron.
I'd say passing. Lebron is a GREAT passer, especially for his size.. but he's not better than Larry
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