Did you see our spring strike out this year?
If it can happen to Cal it can happen to Self.
Time runs out in recruiting as well...
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Did you see our spring strike out this year?
If it can happen to Cal it can happen to Self.
Time runs out in recruiting as well...
Agree on Bolden.
KU will likely have an open spot at the 5 and with some experienced guards around him he could be successful.
I wouldn't be surprised if KU starts Mason, Graham, Greene, Bragg, and Bolden next season.
The real bravo will be awarded to Self if he can get a 2017 collection of Mason, Graham, Greene, Bragg, and Bolden out of the first and second rounds alive.
I don't get this. You say UK will likely end up with Simmons, even with all the players they might have coming back, but in the same breath you say they won't end up with Fox because of all the players they might have coming back. So, why is it you're convinced they can add Simmons in that situation, but not Fox?
Anyways, there's a reason Cal has been/is slow playing Simmons. If you'd have been paying attention, you'd know exactly what that reason is.
Edited to add: Not to mention, out of all of the guys you named that supposedly make UK "crowded", none of them really affect Fox's minutes. Matthews, Mulder and Willis are completely irrelevant when it comes to Fox.
We all love Hawkins, but let's face it, he's a role player (who is very happy with his role, btw). Briscoe will spend 1/2 - 3/4 of his minutes this year playing off the ball, so him having to do it again next year won't be a problem; especially, since he'll be more accustomed to it.
Ulis is even going to spend time playing off the ball this year, so, again, not that big of a deal next year with Fox on board. My point is, Fox could easily come to UK, step right into Murray's spot and easily play 25-30 minutes a game.
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Of course you don't get it. The guy's a clown who doesn't even try to use logic or common sense.
I do seriously find you annoying.
FOX IS NOT GOING TO KANSAS. MONK IS NOT GOING TO KANSAS. !! GOOD LORD ARE KANSAS FANS,AS DUMB AS UL FANS? IT SEEMS SO! KANSAS,WILL ALL WAYS PLAY 2ND FIDDLE TO UK PERIOD!
Thanks. I agree. Have been hearing both Fox and Monk to Kentucky for the last 2 months.
Our class is Wynyard, Gabriel, SKJ, Allen, Fox, Monk. Of those, Allen is the only 1 who might not be all tied up yet, but it's looking pretty good.
You just said that Giles was always a Duke lock, so why did he just commit a day ago? Why didn't he commit a long time ago?
It's not an indication of anything that he hasn't committed yet.
Oh, and every recruit is headed somewhere else until UK gets involved. It's just the way it is, get used to it.
Why the hell would any top level recruit go to Kansas? The only top recruit they have had that lived up to their ranking was Wiggins and that was after he had fallen to #3 or #4 in most of the mocks because self misused him for the first 75% of the season. Embiid getting hurt was the best thing for Embiid and wiggins. Embiid was about to come back to reality after racking up stats in 8 games against teams with no frontcourt. That's all his draft hype was. 8 games. He was completely pedestrian the other 2/3 of his season. I'm not so sure he didn't shut it down because he realized this.
Bottom line, going to Kansas is career suicide.
Embiid made me think of Randolph Morris when I watched him in college, all the talent in the world, but just played so lazy and sleds pedestrian coaching did not help him any..
I love it if it all comes together.
Here's something to consider. It's obvious Cal wanted Miles Bridges as his three man. I've wondered the last few weeks if he wanted Bridges and Gabriel or if those two were mutually exclusive. Reason I think this question is important is because if Cal wanted both of them, that means he wanted Bridges at the three and Gabriel at the 4. If that's the case, Cal might be open at taking Monk and one other wing player like Alkins or Simmons on the wing.
I personally don't see Cal doing that, especially if he's told Gabriel he'll play some three (and because he seems adverse to too many high-level guys expecting minutes), but if it's a case of Gabriel playing the 4 next year, I'd love to see Simmons join up and compete with Matthews for the open wing spot next season. Simmons would be the perfect supplemental guy because of his ability to play three positions.
Fox
Monk
Matthews
Gabriel
Humphries
-With Simmons as the off-the-bench guy for the 1-3 positions
-SKJ and Allen as the reserve big men.
8 man rotation. If UK misses on Allen, Willis could play some 4 and Wynyard could play a few minutes at the 5.
"A day ago" before the early signing period opens up versus Fox who is still undecided and probably won't commit until the Spring?
If Fox is such a lock, why hasn't he committed and why is everyone working themselves into a lather over my OPINION that Kansas has a chance at both of them.
Because its a stupid opinion and you are only trying to troll with it. Absolutely no chance he ends up at KU. It's hilarious how Self has slammed Cal's development of players by saying that he gets guys that already pros and FOX deals with the negative recruiting unprompted with NBADraftexpress and says those players still get better. Self and his negative recruiting won't work with Fox as it did with Ombre. Fox and his coach said a decision was coming soon. GTFO troll.
If not even Matt Scott is predicting Kansas, you have no shot.
Oh, the classic "troll" label. Grow up.
I've provided my opinion on the reasons why I think Kansas has a shot at Fox. You don't like my reasons, so you stomp your feet and call me a troll. I don't like your reasons he's going to Kentucky. "Because all the gurus say he's going to Kentucky?" All the gurus said Wiggins and Mudiay and Bridges, just to name three, were going to Kentucky and they didn't. Gurus pick Kentucky because of Cal's insane success at landing top talent, so more often then not, they will be right and can say they had "sources" when in reality, 99% of them have no clue where a kid is going because more often than not, their information is coming from sources that are not the kid himself.
HAHAHA. What an idiot. You should be listening to what Fox has been saying himself. He's been waiting on a UK and/or Duke offer all along. And as the poster said above, if Matt Scott isn't picking KU then you have absolutely no chance. He ALWAYS has KU listed as the favorite and did so with Wiggins. Get real.
Let's see - Cliff Alexander was a Top 3 recruit - ranked ahead of KAT - who ended up being undrafted after spending the entire year in Self's doghouse. He's impressed at Portland with his effort and raw athleticism, but he needs time and seasoning, and as an undrafted prospect, they have little incentive to hang on to him. The guy should have been a first rounder with a guaranteed contract.
Oubre was a Top 10 guy ranked as the second best SF in the country and ahead of Lyles and Booker. Unlike those two, he ends up being picked just outside of the lottery. Just got fined for grabbing his junk and looking like a fool in a recent game. What's amusing about Oubre is that after all his Dad's talk during his recruitment about Kelly not necessarily being a OAD and guys being pushed out the door at other schools, he jumps to the pros at the first opportunity, and after a less than stellar freshman season.
Embiid meanwhile has been made of glass and has proven to be immature and of questionable work ethic.
Regarding Wiggins, yes he is a great talent, but I wouldn't brag about his one unspectacular year at Kansas - especially his no-show in the NCAA tourney. Played like a guy who was ready to move on to the pros.
I won't even get into Xavier Henry and Josh Selby.
The truth is that Self's methods really work better with multi-year guys. He has struggled with OADs. Self has proven he can win with the Jeff Withey's and Frank Mason's of the world, so I don't know why you even want OADs.
1. You're trying too hard.
2. Why the hate?
3. I have never said one bad thing about Calipari or Kentucky on this board.
4. Don't be insecure.
And?
Once again. It's bad for business for Matt Scott to predict players to go anywhere else but KU. If there was any sort of hope, then he would still have KU as listed as the favorite. There is definitive information out there and you are just refusing to believe it.
What's that? In August he said he was going to visit Kansas...is that some kind of revelation?
I think that will be our class as well, except Wynyard will be on the team next month, so he is a 2015 recruit.
That's the only information I can find that is from Fox himself. I know that Fox wanted offers from Duke and Kentucky, Bridges did too. Look, I think this is a two horse race: Kentucky and Kansas. I just think that Kansas has a pretty good shot at landing him, is all. In the end, he may end up at Kentucky, but until that letter is signed, it's not a done deal.
Save yourself the added disappointment. Not a chance he's going to Kansas. Not everyone is as secretive as Wiggins. Fox talks to people around him and word gets out. You would have to be an idiot to think otherwise in the face of overwhelming evidence that he will be a Cat. You are literally the only person anywhere on the internet I've seen who thinks KU has a legitimate chance.
Just looked at your board. No Fox thread anywhere to be seen. I bet if you started a thread with your prediction even KU fans would be calling you an idiot.
Well put together and similar thoughts to what I've had since Self won with Mario Chalmers. Add Ben McLemore and Thomas Robinson to your list and that pattern of Self's development becomes more exposed.
Yes, this is a Fox thread, so back to that.....I'm confident that Fox will come here.
Our PG slot is wide open for next year, even if Briscoe comes back. I say that because he does need more games to be draft ready, so at this date, Simmons is making a good choice to wait for this season to unfold a bit.
If anyone though that can convince a trio of Simmons, Fox and Monk to commit, it's Cal.
I don't think we will ever see Cal short handed with a roster ever again.
Where did you hear that Fox was waiting until spring? Fox plans to decide by the 16th and sign in the early period.
You're just wrong. That's all that really needs to be said. You'll find out soon enough.
Kansas does have a shot at Fox and Monk, but very small at this time..Hey I bought a lottery ticket, I have a shot at millions..
Dude...even Kansas insiders say KU has no shot. What's your basis for thinking they do? Your wishes?
BOTTOM LINE:
Bill Self is the reason Cliff Alexander is NOT in the NBA right now.
If Cliff would of come and played for Cal he would of been a Top 10 pick. Easy. That is not homer just the truth coming out.
Bill Self is the reason Cliff Alexander is NOT in the NBA right now.
If Cliff would of come and played for Cal he would of been a Top 10 pick. Easy. That is not homer just the truth coming out.
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