Ejection...can Ellis play tomorrow or not?
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NCAA and NFHS[edit]
NFHS (U.S. high school) rules define a flagrant foul as a personal or technical foul that is extreme or severe.
A flagrant personal foul involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball.A flagrant technical foul involves unsportsmanlike conduct that is extreme in nature, or excessive or severe contact during a dead ball. Fighting is also considered a flagrant technical foul.
The penalty for a flagrant technical foul in NCAA and NFHS rules is immediate ejection of the offending player, plus two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team. The ejected player is also suspended during the next game played by his or her team.
NFHS (U.S. high school) rules define a flagrant foul as a personal or technical foul that is extreme or severe.
A flagrant personal foul involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball.A flagrant technical foul involves unsportsmanlike conduct that is extreme in nature, or excessive or severe contact during a dead ball. Fighting is also considered a flagrant technical foul.
The penalty for a flagrant technical foul in NCAA and NFHS rules is immediate ejection of the offending player, plus two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team. The ejected player is also suspended during the next game played by his or her team.
Wrong,they said 10 times last night that he would be eligible to play Saturday,there is no NCAA rule that says they are suspended next game,that is conference calls which donot apply in the NCAA Tourney
A flagrant 2 can be called with ejection from the game without a follow-up one game suspension.
For a one game suspension to be enforced, the bench or court player would have to be assessed a flagrant 2 for fighting.
Unless the NCAA deems the guy was fighting, he can play the next game as far as the NCAA is concerned. If UC is not suspending him, then he will play.
For a one game suspension to be enforced, the bench or court player would have to be assessed a flagrant 2 for fighting.
Unless the NCAA deems the guy was fighting, he can play the next game as far as the NCAA is concerned. If UC is not suspending him, then he will play.
Here is how ESPN reported the Auburn incident:
"Granger was given a flagrant 2 foul and ejected from the game, while Mickey earned a technical foul for his actions. Granger, who is averaging 4.8 points per game for Auburn, will be subject to an automatic one-game suspension per NCAA rules on players who are ejected for fighting."
Maybe the article is wrong but I honestly think the rule is that the key word is "fighting." If it were ruled that he had not been fighting he could have played against us.
"Granger was given a flagrant 2 foul and ejected from the game, while Mickey earned a technical foul for his actions. Granger, who is averaging 4.8 points per game for Auburn, will be subject to an automatic one-game suspension per NCAA rules on players who are ejected for fighting."
Maybe the article is wrong but I honestly think the rule is that the key word is "fighting." If it were ruled that he had not been fighting he could have played against us.
I'm not sure the powers that be have spoken on this issue yet. The moron was dangerously close to throwing and landing a punch.
Two Xavier players left the floor bleeding this yr after the Cross Town shootout. UC is the type of team that will injure a player by their style of play. Pathetic team and history.
Originally posted by wldktz8:
If you watched the replay you clearly see before he shoved his elbow in his throat he looked right at him and then did what he did. He should not be playing this game, but alas our wonder officials use bad judgment. SHOCK
Not to downplay what Ellis did, because it was reckless, stupid and selfish, but there were a lot of elbows in that game both ways. Intentional or not, Purdue bloodied up a few guys for Cincinnati IIRC. Even after that Ellis play, there was a Purdue guy that unintentionally elbowed whoever that backup was right in his nose. When games are that physical stuff happens.
But like others have said, different than regular season so he'll be playing tomorrow. Not like it really matters, they were struggling with Purdue's bigs on the boards so how are they gonna handle the wave of bigs Kentucky can run at em?
But like others have said, different than regular season so he'll be playing tomorrow. Not like it really matters, they were struggling with Purdue's bigs on the boards so how are they gonna handle the wave of bigs Kentucky can run at em?
No way this guy should be playing. There should be zero tolerance for this type of behavior, but in today's society...well, you get the picture. Wonder what the penalty would've been if one of our boys had thrown that punch?Originally posted by wldktz8:
Originally posted by wldktz8:
If you watched the replay you clearly see before he shoved his elbow in his throat he looked right at him and then did what he did. He should not be playing this game, but alas our wonder officials use bad judgment. SHOCK
This post was edited on 3/20 12:16 PM by js40484
That's typical behavior for UC.Originally posted by js40484:
No way this guy should be playing. There should be zero tolerance for this type of behavior, but in today's society...well, you get the picture.Originally posted by wldktz8:
Originally posted by wldktz8:
If you watched the replay you clearly see before he shoved his elbow in his throat he looked right at him and then did what he did. He should not be playing this game, but alas our wonder officials use bad judgment. SHOCK
This is in no way an attempt to excuse Ellis' decision, but I can see how the "powers-that-be" could have viewed this as less than egregious. Many coaches will teach boxing out like this: 1) find your man 2) put a forearm to his chest 3) turn and seal him from the basket 4) go after the ball.
Ellis makes his move right after the shot attempt. If you look at the whole, it looks like he is attempting to box out and just went too high on his check. Do I think he meant to check him in the neck? Given his history, probably. However, I believe his coach, or someone, made this argument in an attempt to say it was not a punch or fighting.
Ellis makes his move right after the shot attempt. If you look at the whole, it looks like he is attempting to box out and just went too high on his check. Do I think he meant to check him in the neck? Given his history, probably. However, I believe his coach, or someone, made this argument in an attempt to say it was not a punch or fighting.
Originally posted by mdcars0:
This is in no way an attempt to excuse Ellis' decision, but I can see how the "powers-that-be" could have viewed this as less than egregious. Many coaches will teach boxing out like this:
I think you accidentally typed the word "out" in there....But If that is the case that he coach made (which he probably did), the officials should have thrown him out as well just for wasting everyone's time.
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