Duke was always trying to recruit top talent, but we hit a lull where we couldn't land them. We courted Wall and thought we had a great shot with Brandon Knight-- it really hurt to lose him to you. K is recruiting the same guys as always, the only difference is he's getting them.
Duke's Recruiting Dominance Per ESPN...
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Agreed. But if the #1 recruiting ranking from ESPN does mean something to someone, I'd give it to Kentucky for 2015 (and I'm a Duke fan lol).
That's beyond insane
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Duke would also have three top 10 guys (or close to it) when you add Frank Jackson to Giles and Tatum. Jackson is pretty much consensus top 15, so I think it's splitting hairs to talk about the difference between a guy ranked 10 and 15. Rivals has Jackson at 10, 247 has him at 14 (Jonathan Isaac is #10 on 247) and ESPN also has him at 14 (I believe Terrance Ferguson is 10th on ESPN's rankings). However, I will say if you guys get Monk as well as Jarrett Allen in addition to Fox (who I've thought was a lock to Kentucky for a while now the way Giles was for Duke), I'd have to rank Kentucky's class as better unless Duke can get Marques Bolden (who I think is going to Kansas) or another highly regarded recruit who I'm not expecting at this time. I personally think Duke's class will be what it is now.
Indeed he did. That class was amazing, especially when you had a senior guard in Quinn Cook who put his ego aside to let Tyus Jones be the point guard. Duke's 2015 class isn't comparable. Of course college basketball isn't as strong this year in my opinion; which does make it possible for this season's Duke team to be in the thick of things. By that, I mean I don't see three teams this season who will be as strong as Duke, Kentucky and Wisconsin from last season were.
Kennard reminds me a bit of a guard version of Kyle Wiltjer at this point. He can really shoot it, but has A LOT of work to do defensively. Thornton will likely have his ups and downs from what I'm hearing. Granted he did arrive a little later than the others since he was finishing high school so he could reclassify to play for Duke this year. Anyone expecting him to be Tyus Jones is going to be disappointed. But I will say even if he was looking brilliant, I'd think expecting him to be Tyus Jones on the offensive end and as a point guard in general would be placing unfair expectations upon him. Although I could see him better than Tyus defensively. He gets good marks for his defense and that wasn't Tyus' number one strength. Ingram will score some points and will be a passable defender if for no other reason than his length and athleticism, but like I hope nobody's expecting Thornton to be Jones, I hope nobody's expecting Ingram to be Justise Winslow defensively. Winslow was terrific on that end with his not only his desire and athleticism, but also his strength (Ingram bulked up a ton over the summer for a reason).
Jeter, all I'll say there is I expect he'll contribute the least of the four this season. Personally I thought he was a bit overrated from watching highlight reels of him, but we'll see on that. If he becomes sorta like what Brice Johnson has become for Carolina, I'd be satisfied.
Dodger, you are far too rational and reasonable to be a Dookie fan. That's not allowed on by rival fans on this board.
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Hilarious, but I'm not the over the top homer type about any team I root for and I'm respectful of UK knowing I'm a visiting fan here.Gotta give K his due on recruiting lately and winning two Titles in 5 yrs is a big part in it imho. These top kids want to win a ncaa title before they go to league
Why is a recruit subjective but a draft is not subjective? They are the same thing. Sam Bowie drafted ahead of Jordan. Oden in front of Durant, Darko in front of Carmelo and Wade. They were subjective because a lot of it is projection of talent
it is not subjective opinion that those two UK players went 1 and 2 in the draft as it is a matter of fact. that's a tangible result with significant implications where a simple list compiled by a few journalists isn't. ofcourse the opinions and need of the NBA organizations within the draft lead to the actual draft picking.
The 2009 ratings by ESPN were a joke then, and clearly are now.
This is one of the main reasons why I didnt want Duke to win that title last year. I was blasted by some long time posters around here for expressing it at the beginning of last year. Now, ESPN has all the ammo they need to make the OAD about Duke and coach K, and it will have an effect moving forward as it already has.
That doesn't mean we will fall short of greatness, it just means we won't get the history book glamour that we would have. The media will make sure of it. K should not get the credit for winning with the OAD kids first, but he will now.
This is one of the main reasons why I didnt want Duke to win that title last year. I was blasted by some long time posters around here for expressing it at the beginning of last year. Now, ESPN has all the ammo they need to make the OAD about Duke and coach K, and it will have an effect moving forward as it already has.
That doesn't mean we will fall short of greatness, it just means we won't get the history book glamour that we would have. The media will make sure of it. K should not get the credit for winning with the OAD kids first, but he will now.
Coach K ALWAYS went after top talent like Wall, AD, MKG etc, he just recently started getting them again! I'm sick of people acting like these coaches could've been getting elite players but we're turning them down LOL! Think for yourself and stop buying into the BS narrative that Cal was the only coach willing to take these kids. Its literally the most absurd thing ever that is bought by gullible fans when coaches like Pitino can't get talent, so they say they never went after them yet when these players were being recruited it was by every elite coach in the country, K included!
I guess Irishcatdaddy hasn't read your post yet. I bet he has a clever .gif that will properly express his rejection of your idea expressed above . Or maybe he just reserves that for when Duke fans express the same opinion as you did (see my post agreeing with you earlier in this page).
LOL - I was thinking the exact same thing. He's a great addition to this board, along with Mark.
Anything from ESPN will have a K slant. Anyone who still denies this after at least 15 year of proof just has their head in the sand.
Murray not being ranked last year gave Duke the #1 ESPN class. To not have Murray rated was laughable.
Murray not being ranked last year gave Duke the #1 ESPN class. To not have Murray rated was laughable.
ESPN should issue a report about Koach Krybabyschitzki's 2+ decades of having the Top #1 Class of Floppers.
Dook team tryouts below:
Dook team tryouts below:
ESPN should issue a report about Koach Krybabyschitzki's 2+ decades of having the Top #1 Class of Floppers.
Dook team tryouts below:
Paulus and Scheyer behind closed doors showing new recruits how it is done...
By the way, I will start a thread prior to tip off so we can tally the all world flops by Allen, Jones and Jefferson. Truly believe those 3 will take flopping to a level that wojo will marvel at.
Duke has always got good talent all the way to the 90s and has a good program, all K is doing is following cals blueprint in recruiting, recruiting elite talent while mixing a few veterans...
Espn first aired in 1979. Coach K became Duke coach in 1980.
Its not rocket science.
I'll take two first round exits all the time if they're in between two championships in 5 seasonsAnd a little Lehigh action as well....
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The catch is that ESPN only considers its own ESPN rankings whenever it discusses a recruit's rankings. It pretends like the rankings of Rivals, Scout and the other services don't exist. Seems to be a network-wide policy to not even acknowledge the existence of the other guys (despite the fact that Rivals and Scout usually prove to be more accurate).
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It's no conspiracy. The NCAA created this. NCAA created "Coach K" through a network of media operations. All accomplishments created artificially.
Dukes fan base is as naive as Germans living under Hitler. Try telling Germans living in 1930s Germany that their leader is a false idol. Only rubes believe K achieved his accomplishments fairly.
I'll take two first round exits all the time if they're in between two championships in 5 seasons
I thought you Dukies were good at math.
It's two in six years, which is still hella awesome, but at least get the math right if you're going to point to your team's accomplishments. Duke's success doesn't need inflated numbers or skewed statistics in order to stand out. Let the facts speak for themselves because Duke is a great program on its own merit.
Also, remember K can't coach forever. Enjoy this run while it lasts.The idea that the show will just keeping going on as it has is a naïve one. Go ask UCLA, Indiana, UNC (in the early 2000s and also now) and UK ( last years under Tubby and two years under Gillispie) about that. Some of you Dukies haven't known a world without Coach K at the helm. You joined up with the program under the wave of Laettner, Hill, and Hurley and have been on the wagon ever since. I'm afraid most of you are in for a massive letdown when the bandwagon finally rolls out of town.
Just a reminder, Clean Sheets is turning 69 in February....
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well, yay for ESPN LOL -
They refuse to include Jamal Murray in their rankings because he's a "foreigner." They make constant mistakes in their articles about facts regarding most teams.
ESPN is what their acronym says: Entertainment and Sports Programming Network. They are media popularity driven. Always have been.
They refuse to include Jamal Murray in their rankings because he's a "foreigner." They make constant mistakes in their articles about facts regarding most teams.
ESPN is what their acronym says: Entertainment and Sports Programming Network. They are media popularity driven. Always have been.
What's even scarier are the K apologists on here. Hey, Japan and Italy eventually bought into it too.
You keep claiming we will have such a drop off but I can just as easily say we won't.. Circumstances will be a lot diff when K retires. 1. We aren't running our coach off like IU so K will be there along for the transition, 2. We aren't UCLA who is on the west coast (which hurts no matter what anyone thinks) 3. We aren't UNC who handed the program over to a long time OLD assistant as a gesture then fail to bring in our top guy and have to scramble to find another. And lastly we aren't UK who has had the most turnover of all the schools. Rupp was too old so you got rid of him, your next good coach left for the NBA then tubby started with a bang and wasn't "bad" but didn't recruit well then the Gillespie which is a head scratcher and then Cal who by the way has said he won't be coaching in ten years so are you guys worried about your success after he leaves? Because you have a track record of having a few duds after every good one?I thought you Dukies were good at math.
It's two in six years, which is still hella awesome, but at least get the math right if you're going to point to your team's accomplishments. Duke's success doesn't need inflated numbers or skewed statistics in order to stand out. Let the facts speak for themselves because Duke is a great program on its own merit.
Also, remember K can't coach forever. Enjoy this run while it lasts.The idea that the show will just keeping going on as it has is a naïve one. Go ask UCLA, Indiana, UNC (in the early 2000s and also now) and UK ( last years under Tubby and two years under Gillispie) about that. Some of you Dukies haven't known a world without Coach K at the helm. You joined up with the program under the wave of Laettner, Hill, and Hurley and have been on the wagon ever since. I'm afraid most of you are in for a massive letdown when the bandwagon finally rolls out of town.
Just a reminder, Clean Sheets is turning 69 in February....
I'll just say you worry about your program we will worry about ours. We will have many many options when K leaves and players are still going to want to play for Duke. 5 championships since 91 isn't something to scoff at and these kids have always known Duke as a winner. So hold on tight because I have a sneaky suspicion you will be disappointed when K leaves which isn't exactly going to be in the next couple of seasons
All fair enough points. I would say, you don't yet know how the K era will end. A lot of the all-time great coaches kind of went south a bit before being "pushed" out. It just seems like that's how it goes down more often than not. If that happens and you lose the K coaching tree (which hasn't been all that impressive anyway), what are you left with? I could easily see a repeat of Florida post Billy Donovan. Nobody outside of Florida or Kentucky even knows who that dude is that they hired.
Our "next good coach" immediately followed Rupp. His name was Joe B. Hall, and he coached here for 13 seasons.
Results: 5 Elite Eights, 3 Final Fours, 2 Title game appearances, 1 championship.
Seemingly, a Duke fan would know about that championship.
Edit: Sorry - 6 Elite Eights.
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So? There are UK fans that don't like Cal. Some fans are unreasonable.
Joe B. was a good coach whose results stand on their own merit.
Compare Hall's 13 seasons to Coach K's last 13...
Hall had 6 Elite Eights to K's 4.
Both had 3 Final Fours.
Both appeared in 2 title games.
K won one more title.
I blame WWII on German beer. Without that, the Germans would have never had the nerve to bomb Pearl Harbor.
I compared Hall's 13 years to K's last 13. Of course I can do it. I just did.
Obviously K's overall career is better. Hall only coached 13 years though, so that's all I have to work with.
Have you been satisfied with K's past 13 seasons? Would you have been satisfied if he had lost to Wisconsin last year? That would have given him nearly identical results to Hall - except Hall would have more Elite Eights.
Because I'm satisfied with Hall's results. He was a good coach. Not sure why a Duke fan wants to go to the trouble of arguing the opposite.
Says a Duke fan who visits a UK forum almost every day and has publically commented dozens of times on the state of the UK program.
