Duke 34 FTs, Auburn Nine - Seems Fair!
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KY had Duke in very bad could trouble in the first half and then magically by the end of the half it all evened out.
I watched the game. Duke drove and attacked or drove and dished. Auburn chucked 3s or tried to one on one juke and then shoot 3s. The way the two teams played wasn't the least bit similar. Most of Duke's 3s were off dribble penetration first or swinging the ball. Auburn's were off ball stopping shots. Basketball isn't hard.
Just because the total 3s taken by both teams was somewhat close doesn't mean whatsoever that both teams played the same type of game. That's the simpleton way of putting it.
Auburn took 45 2-point shot attempts. Duke took 29 2-point shot attempts. Yet Auburn's 16 additional shot attempts inside the arc, resulted in 25 fewer free throw attempts. There's no defending that.
The Hagans Phantom foul, I believe Reddish already had 2 fouls at that point.
So then what explains all those years prior where Duke was a 3pt shooting team? New teams every year, all types of players and all types of styles...
But they never seem to commit fouls and they always get that extra bit of protection.
I did. And I'm not a blame the ref guy. I think there's far too much complaining about officiating on here during our games, and many times it's unwarranted. But Auburn had no chance with that whistle. Literally no chance. When I look at the state of college basketball today, and how desperately it needs a "story" on the court to take away from what's going on off the court, I don't think it's an accident.
Having a "cheater" like Bruce Pearl end the Golden Boy's run at an undefeated season before it ever really got started -- when you're looking to sell the "all that is right" about college basketball narrative -- would have been a disaster. If Arizona wins tonight, mark it down, you'll see a similar whistle tomorrow. If Gonzaga wins, it may be more balanced.
Also, still doesn't explain how Duke, being a bunch of freshman and mauling Auburn at times, wound up with so few fouls.
Coach K can't coach a lick of defense..but here we are, Freshman, offensive minded players who are now defensive savants. Meanwhile, there's a Kentucky player somewhere shurgging his arms like "Wait, that's a foul".
Coach K can't coach a lick of defense..but here we are, Freshman, offensive minded players who are now defensive savants. Meanwhile, there's a Kentucky player somewhere shurgging his arms like "Wait, that's a foul".
they're still a 3 point shooting team because they have a team full of guys that can make em. This year, however, they have a lineup full of wings that are skilled as shit and can drive and kick or drive to score at the rim. They usually haven't had that. K completely revamped his offense... just like he said he was going to play more like the Warriors and we all laughed because we didn't think they'd have the shooting.
Well... they do. But if the guys want they can also score at the rim. That's the difference. K has a team full of dudes rather than a team full of bitches, like usual.
Austin Wiley was gang raped under the basket a couple of times with no call. Jared was mugged at the end of the half..no call. Samir Doughty was murdered driving the lane to start the second half...no call...followed by Samir getting called for sneezing on a Duke player at the other end.
We shot a whopping 7 more threes than Duke...had SEVENTY SEVEN shots in the game and shot 9 free throws. Yes...we prefer to shoot 3s but to say that we never drove the hole or tried to attack inside is ludicrous. Getting 9 FTs to their 34 is equally ludicrous.
That said..Duke is damn good and deserved to win the game. Bruce even said after the game we took too many stupid shots. Great learning experience in November. But the fouls were stupidly lopsided to Duke.
In the last 5 years........3 of those years Duke has ranked in the top 10 of all NCAA teams in not fouling.
I know some will say that's refs protection.
I see it as a repeatable skill.
You know who else never fouls? Villanova and Michigan.
Some teams year in and year out are consistently good in areas.
Also some teams get to the line.
I mean we have feasted on the line since Cal has gotten here.
But no one would ever say the refs are for us lol.
I know some will say that's refs protection.
I see it as a repeatable skill.
You know who else never fouls? Villanova and Michigan.
Some teams year in and year out are consistently good in areas.
Also some teams get to the line.
I mean we have feasted on the line since Cal has gotten here.
But no one would ever say the refs are for us lol.
Randle boogie and Bam could get tackled with no call. But on defense whistled for every breath they took
you're pointing out one incident where a call may have been missed where the ref didn't have the benefit of slow motion replay and the player hit the wrist rather than the ball on a fast break attempt.
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Reckon I surrender.
Please tell me your not shocked by this !! If they played ten times the free throw difference would be the same , Hell I am surprised it was that close.
I'll bet Auburn doesn't finish top 10 in the SEC this season in FTAs because their style of offense doesn't lend itself to being fouled a great deal. They have one big and 4 other guys that float around the 3 point line waiting to jack a jumper.
FWIW even tho they aren’t getting to the line this season they actually did last season.
But the SEC has been a foul happy league for years now so it’s possible that over inflated their number.
And this is also why Duke tends to flame out early in the tournament. Once they get out of Greensboro, without the favorable whistle, they tend to lose because they don't know how to win without a bunch of free throws. Last year they actually had a pretty poor free throw shooting team and it cost them.
I’m glad you guys feel like this about free throws revealing obvious referee preference and bias. I wonder if you will hold that position when you realize that last year, uk attempted the most free throws in college basketball (930) but only had the 291st most free throws attempted against them (725).
If you guys are mad at the special treatment duke got tonight, you must be furious at how the refs clearly favored uk last year! Because that’s what free throws prove, right?
If you guys are mad at the special treatment duke got tonight, you must be furious at how the refs clearly favored uk last year! Because that’s what free throws prove, right?
I didn’t watch one second of the game so I really have no input on it but simply stating shooting threes is the reason isn’t even remotely close. I recall reading this thread to see how the game was going and at one point duke had shot 18 free throws to zero for Auburn. Game stats showed both teams were 6-23 from three point range around that time.
The disparity was bad enough that Bilas took it upon himself to explain why it shouldn’t be perceived as dook getting preferential treatment. He has become a complete fraud.
That is to be expected in 85% of all Duke games, for some reason, the Rat has this ability to get into ref's heads. I don't mind Duke shooting that many FT's but there is no way with a young team that they did not commit more fouls than that. Auburn should have shoot at least 20 or more FT's
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And most of the time the big guys like Zion stand out and are called for more fouls, but not in this case.
Reminds me of the still shot at the end of the first half of the E8 game with UNCheat where Fox was fouled by three different Tar Holes and no whistle as John Higgins looked right at it.
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Barrett as well, even Bilas shockingly said Pearl should be pissed because he pushed off three times and no call.
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Agree, but Zion is really huge and guys like that stand out so much that a lot of times they get whistled for fouls more than smaller players, but not in this case. It made no difference whatsoever but Duke got away with a lot of push offs when we played them as well.
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Over the last 25 years or so, the two times that I thought we really got shafted on free throws was in 1991(I believe that was the year) at IU and the 1997 title game against Arizona. You can expect a free throw disparity in college basketball if you're playing on the road or against a team that primarily jacks up three's and doesn't draw contact going to the hoop. Yeah, you have a point in that all you hear these days is bias or someone offended about something.
Peral's teams can usually be whistled for 100 fouls if the refs so wished.
Constant hand-checking and grabbing.
The disparity does not surprise me and only indicates to me that Bruce's team, as always, committed a bunch of fouls - and probably got called for fewer than it should have.
Constant hand-checking and grabbing.
The disparity does not surprise me and only indicates to me that Bruce's team, as always, committed a bunch of fouls - and probably got called for fewer than it should have.
I watched the game as well. I would suggest you rewatch it. Yes, Auburn did chuck some 3s but they also drove to the hoop, especially early. Duke did what it has done for years which is dribble drive and kick. The tone was set early by the refs when Duke outshot Auburn 18-0 in the first half. Duke was given fouls down low that Auburn was not and allowed to be more handsy on the perimeter. You are providing the narrative that ESPN (the Duke Network) and the announcers were giving as they raved about Duke almost every minute of that game. Duke has a fantastic team but they did chuck 3s, they force a lot of shots, and they did foul. For most of the last 15 years it hasn't been as bad but from 1988 to 2004, Duke dominated the officiating, not simply because they were talented (which, of course they were) but also because the officials gave almost the entire team superstar calls. If Duke gets that kind of leeway this year, it will be tough to beat them (which it will anyway).
Duke is very good. They’re going to have a fantastic record this year. But in the end they’re still freshman dominated. When they get under the bright lights and gut check time in March when the game’s are one-and-done those rims are going to look about the size of a pie pan to those youngsters. That 26 foot trey that Reddish hit last night immediately after Auburn had cut the lead to 7 points won’t be there in those big emotionally pack arenas and domes. Mark it down. A veteran seasoned team is going to take them out of the tournament. When it’s March Madness I’ll take experience/talent over talent any time.
