Denzil Ware Transferring
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It really doesn't make much sense, if he thought he wasn't getting trained right here (and he came in as a 5.6) then he should have just joined the draft, he would have gotten paid AND could devote full time to working out and getting trained by experts, and against the best competition. Also funny that it seems like he isn't sure where he is going.
Hopefully this is a guesstimate to our overall talent upgrade pushing the weak out.
What we consider great talent at Ky. is simply being pushed out by even better talent. In the progression of building a better team this is not a bad thing.
I think we're on about transfer #8. There's so many it's hard to keep up with. J. Richardson, Koback, Cross, Ware, Gilliam, Bannerman, Bonner, Beckham. I know every program has them but it seems like we have more than usual. And who else besides UK football would lose a 3 year starter, who is an NFL prospect? Very frustrating. And now we can't sign a decent player from the state. These guys see the writing on the wall.
That's a strange deal for sure. I don't know anything about Ware or why he would want to do something like this. But a returning multi year starter who is penciled in as the starter his sr year seldom transfers. Maybe one of the younger guys was about to take his spot, which would have really hurt his draft status I think. But wouldn't surprise me if UT has been in contact. They can't recruit playing by the rules, so they will play outside of them. If that happened I hope Stoops reports them, Fulmer's deal has to have run out by now.
Guys..let's not start conflating kids passed up on depth chart that transfer or leave early on before even playing vs. Ware situation. THis is nothing like the Bannerman, Koback, Gilliam, Drew Barker or even Towles situations.
We're talking about a 3 year starter, 14 sacks in career and was primed to be a top 10 all time sack leader at UK. This move has to either be about a behavior issue or Ware is getting an offer to play at a better program. Either way is not ideal....I'm hoping it was a behavior issue and Stoops stood his ground on things. But regardless...pretty big blow to front 7 no matter how you slice it.
We're talking about a 3 year starter, 14 sacks in career and was primed to be a top 10 all time sack leader at UK. This move has to either be about a behavior issue or Ware is getting an offer to play at a better program. Either way is not ideal....I'm hoping it was a behavior issue and Stoops stood his ground on things. But regardless...pretty big blow to front 7 no matter how you slice it.
Goodbye Denzel, Hello Boogie, Ware didn't play in the MC Bowl game, and we could have won the game at the end. Boogie or someone else will hopefully step up.
True and it shatters depth. Now someone who may not be up to the task is going to have to play more minutes. Fatigue and increased chance of injury now enters the situation. In the SEC depth many times is the difference in 5-6 wins and 8-9 wins.
Was it Fla. State Denzil flipped from when he committed to CATS?
Gut feeling but I'm not totally surprised. I know Badet was not a happy camper with teammates.
Gut feeling but I'm not totally surprised. I know Badet was not a happy camper with teammates.
When you cheer for a kid in the good times and support him as a fan through tough times, and hope the best for his career, it hurts to see him walk away from what he helped to build to go help some other team. Fans want to be part of the journey and want to see players reach their dreams. So, it can be hard when a player thinks some other place and fans will be better for him. With DWare, this past year has been tough. His season was probably not as good as he wanted, or we wanted, and it ended badly. It seeemd, however, as if he had grown past his troubles.
That said, I don’t recall many interviews or podium appearances that involved him this spring.
Now that the initial shock has worn off, I wish him the best and thank him for the effort he brought and the wins he helped to secure. I thank him for choosing UK and congratulate him on his degree. He has earned the right to make this decision and I hope it works out well for him and my Cats.
That said, I don’t recall many interviews or podium appearances that involved him this spring.
Now that the initial shock has worn off, I wish him the best and thank him for the effort he brought and the wins he helped to secure. I thank him for choosing UK and congratulate him on his degree. He has earned the right to make this decision and I hope it works out well for him and my Cats.
Wasn't there another UK DL that transferred out of the blue a few years ago right before the season and nobody knew why at the time?
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People don't want to hear this, but bye,,, I wish the kid well, but if he doesn't want to be here then so be it. It will hurt on the field, you cannot deny that but sometimes attrition is good and I will be honest, and people can be upset at me all they want, but after I saw Ware pick up a trash can and throw it, on national television and then get suspended for whatever reason in the bowl game, it told me all I needed to know about Ware. I appreciate everything he has done for us and all he gave, but he seems a lot like Jordan Jones when it comes to attitude so good luck, but next man up and if UK ever wants to get to a spot they want to be competitive year in and year out, they have to be able to absorb hits like this
Just a few bad apples. Lot of people wanted Stoops to be more of a discipline coach and actually rules.
Of course they do, our Georgia friend just mentioned that the Dawgs had 5 leave this year.
Have you ever been apart of any large organization where everyone was happy?
It is honestly possible that he thought/knew Boogie was going to take some of his playing time. Boogie is a lot better than we talk about. But until we hear that it was something internal, I am going to believe that Boogie was going to take some of his PT. An SEC senior DE/LB wouldn't leave their guaranteed starting position. Scouts love SEC defensive players. Jeff Badet left to play under the Heisman winner and a much better QB. Ware can't get much better than starting on an SEC defense. Boogie had that nice goal line stop vs SC, so I am ready to see what he can do with more PT. Wish Ware the best, but next man up.
I believe you're correct. I vaguely recall some chatter that he would have flipped to the Noles but he wasn't a take for them at the time.
I was just reminded reading on another site that Ware's former roommate was....Jeff Badet.
Wouldn't surprise me if these young men had conversations about getting another look at a different place.
Anyone know how Oklahoma is staffed at DE??
Wouldn't surprise me if these young men had conversations about getting another look at a different place.
Anyone know how Oklahoma is staffed at DE??
Just from a former college coach that I’m friends with. Yes very disappointing.
According to some - nothing here to see. We’re just getting started, bro!
Just another example of the weirdness that is UK football.Even when things appear to go our way they don't. I have come to believe that whoever is coaching here will forever fight an uphill battle against Karma. Yes I know that sounds crazy but I have been along for the ride for over 50 years and could list countless examples of crap that wouldn't happen anywhere else.It is truly amazing.
To UK...Denzil Ware is a bigtime pass rusher. I hate when we talk down the abilities of good UK players due to some warts they may have had.
1. UK missed Boom Williams bigtime and his career 6.6 yards per carry...but heard from a ton on this board he was overrated, dinged up, not great receiver, etc... But for UK he was a tremendous weapon regardless of his NFL career to date.
2. UK miss Jeff Badet....the same QB couldn't hit a deep pass to save his life last year but hit a pretty good rate the year before. But many on here minimize Badet's hands and locker room cancer.
Now the same thing happening to Denzil Ware. I'll bet Boogie/Kenegra don't get 7 sacks which is about what Ware gave UK the past 2 years.
Agree,just about anyone who is good enough to start for us or play major minutes brings something to the team and is someone who will be missed if they leave.We need every break and able body we have or can get if we are going to take any next step up the college football food chain.
It does not sound crazy to those of us who have been on that 50 year ride with you.
Peace
But wasn't it announced he was transferring first and then the other part came out?
One other oddity here. Allen has raved about White and said he wished White had been his coach from day 1. If you are prepping for the NFL and Allen’s assessment is correct, why leave White?
I actually think Boogie will equal ware production. He's faster and has great bend. Ware was a solid productive player but he was mediocre to bad against the run and 6 sacks is not unattainable for an edge rusher like Boogie.
I don't think eight in four years is that high at all--------as Grumpy mentioned Georgia has had five this year, and maybe you should check Bama's record for dropouts-------about to lose the SEC's MVP on offense according to speculation, is our 5.6 a big a loss as their five star?
Maybe it is a sign of progress to some extent, certainly you don't want to lose a veteran starter like this but we have four stars ready to step into the gap. Before Stoops we didn't have many four star starters at the 22 positions, only TWO four stars that even played much from 2010 until Stoops took over and most of the time the TWO four stars on the roster didn't even start.
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Brave words coined on the internet and not real life. What happens when there is no "NEXT"?
UGA and Bama can afford to lose people and never bat an eye,we can't at this point,we have to get all we can out of people who have something to give.Down the road(a long way down that road)maybe we can but not any time soon
The rest of the story is these guys see how Stoops never puts anyone in the nfl and they realize they are good enough to play at other programs and get better exposure.... You really can't blame Ware or Badet.... taking advantage of the transfer rules.
It's easy to rationalize; Stoops hasn't shown any skill so far at player development. He wants to get better and make the NFL. It's called dollar signs $$$$$$
Seems pretty obvious that Badet would have been better off staying at UK, he AVERAGED more yardage and TDs his three "learning" years at UK than he did as a fifth year senior with a Heisman winning QB. The same is probably going to be true with Ware, THIS staff took him from a 5.6 recruit to an almost certain draft pick, not sure where he will go from here. And not sure leaving was totally up to him, he doesn't seem to even know where he is going yet, maybe he made his decision in a fit of anger.
