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David Robinsin and Tom Yeager call out the BS UNC fraud case

Hey those rotten SOB’s at UNCheat know they cheated , the NCAA knows they cheated , the whole dam sports world knows they cheated !!! The NCAA didn't want to go after them to the extent that it would have taken to do what should have been done. So UNC laughed all the way to a title !!
 
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I still contend that, had this been about one banner - as was the case with Louisville - the NCAA might have acted. Because four of their six banners were tainted in the scandal, nothing was going to happen. Any legitimate penalty would have included their removal and at least one year without basketball. That would have been a war.
 
Agree with Calamitybone, four.....FOUR of their titles are tainted and SHOULD come down. We all know it, THEY know it, and it needs to be at least kept in the spotlight as long as possible so more people are aware of just how large their cheating was, and also how far back it went.
I'm being honest: had this been UK, with such an embarrassment open to the world, I don't know if I could have kept up my fan-hood. UNCHEAT fans should never, ever bloviate about their idiotic "Carolina Way" ever again. They should humble themselves and admit to all other fans that yes, our school, our coach, everyone cheated to gain an unfair advantage, and four of our banners are extremely tainted. They won't, but they should.

Old Roy is the biggest POS cheater going, and his "awe shucks" demeanor fools no one.
 
UNC, Duke, KU seem untouchable. So much shit happens around these programs, yet the NCAA and the sports world ignore it. But let a college women’s golfer use a water hose to wash her car gets penalized, or they confiscate a basketball given in honor of reaching 500 wins.
 
It seems that we are now in the postmodern worldview that celebrates and promotes relativism as a “standard” and disregard for objective agreement on cultural morality. Therefore, the line between right and wrong changes with each “loophole” and depending on who is being charged versus the nature of the illegality. We see this in politics, pop culture and in academia where the lack of standards results in arbitrary judgements. Relativism is a dangerous precedent in that those in power escape any sanctioning while those on the “outside” receive an imbalance of punishment.

Sure, UL lost their banners and Penn State lost $62 million in revenue. What about the moral consequences of deceiving recruits into believing that they are receiving a top shelf education or involving young teenagers in prostitution and certainly, the immense damage from sexual abuse and rape. The lack of consequences for one institution - UNC - emboldens other institutions to follow suit in order to keep athletes eligible, which demeans the whole educational process for those athletes.

Forget punishment. Where is the shame?
 
I have zero respect for the NCAA or UNCheat. Both could DIAF and I wouldn't care.
 
UNC, Duke, KU seem untouchable. So much shit happens around these programs, yet the NCAA and the sports world ignore it. But let a college women’s golfer use a water hose to wash her car gets penalized, or they confiscate a basketball given in honor of reaching 500 wins.
If she had charged admission to the car washing or signed or signed autographs afterward she could have picked up a few extra bucks and wouldn't have been a poor exploited college athlete.(school might have gotten the death penalty though) and those milestone basketball are completely out of control and something had to be done. Don't forget the extra cream cheese on the bagel at Oklahoma(I think)

It doesn't matter what anyone says or does now,schools missed their chance to take a stand when some didn't refuse to play UNC. The FBI investigation,the shoe companies and how the NCAA mishandled everything they have done in the last 5 years shows just what the NCAA is and is not.Any other organization charged with the oversight of anything would be gutted from the top down or dissolved entirely if it had failed to do it's job to the degree the NCAA has
 
So you are suggesting he shouldn't have called out UNC-CHEATS? He should have ignored 17 years of squalid abuse? He shouldn't mention cheating that got so ridiculous and pervasive that a cretin like Rashad McCants could make the Dean's List with All As without ever attending a class? At a school that laughably bragged about its standards and its honor system, but when it was discovered neck deep in cheating instead of self-punishing it spent $15 million covering it up and bullying the NCAA?

The only disgrace is he didn't do it sooner, and that the NCAA allowed itself to be bullied out of taking down banners and issuing bans.
No idea where you got that, I'm just suggesting that there is and will always be a bias towards Duke. And of course Robinson is the one to call them out, cause he is now a Dukie.
 
Read UNC Professor Jay Smith's book about the scandal, whitewashing, and bogus internal investigations ...... the only conclusion you could come to is UNC mislead the NCAA. That alone should have gotten them serious penalties and a few banners in the trash can.

The NCAA didn't even interview most of the people mentioned in the book. The rest refused to cooperate. Only 2 schools could have pulled that off, and they sit within 7 miles of each other.
 
On to more important matters:
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Basically everyone knows how egregious the issues were in the dumpster fire at UNC, but the NCAA wasn't willing to face the legal battles once UNC started piling up the lawyers.

Close, but not exactly the situation.

Carolina threatened to disclose similar missteps by a number of other major D1 programs. They also made it clear that they'd in effect launch a massive PR campaign against the NCAA regarding a lack of punishment for those universities. It was very much a scorched earth strategy and the university made it clear that they were willing to take it as far as they could; pulling down the other programs with them.

At the same time, the school used the defense that every student was able to cheat (not just the revenue generating athletes). This defense strategy, while not necessarily brilliant and arguably obvious, gave the committee the way out that they were looking for.

It really was as simple as that in the end.
 
It’s sad but true they cheated for almost twenty year while all the time claiming to be above the rest of collage basketball. When in all really they were the worst example know to exist. Twenty million dollars later and one stolen national title later all is well and forgotten.
 
Close, but not exactly the situation.

Carolina threatened to disclose similar missteps by a number of other major D1 programs. They also made it clear that they'd in effect launch a massive PR campaign against the NCAA regarding a lack of punishment for those universities. It was very much a scorched earth strategy and the university made it clear that they were willing to take it as far as they could; pulling down the other programs with them.

At the same time, the school used the defense that every student was able to cheat (not just the revenue generating athletes). This defense strategy, while not necessarily brilliant and arguably obvious, gave the committee the way out that they were looking for.

It really was as simple as that in the end.
Was it? How many other major schools would have been in a position to do the same? Does UNCheat have a network of well-placed spies at other key programs that schools who have been penalized in the past do not? That's rhetorical; given their nefariousness, it may well be true.

I'd imagine that most formerly penalized schools could make such a threat and follow through on it. The difference is that none of them were infected with the gross hubris and cosmic arrogance of that cesspool in Chapel Hill. Combine that with the UNCAA being more than willing to take that "way out" for their darling Tar Holes, and voila! Case closed.

You ought to be ashamed for being a Tar Hole fan, but I know that's a gene none of you have.
 
Maybe they should have ran the commission on college basketball instead of Condoleezza Rice, they seem to have an abundance of common sense.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article210739484.html
The fundamental problem is that we've combined big-time spectator sports with academics. No other country in the world does that because they recognize these are two very different endeavors with entirely different priorities. In almost any other country, elite athletes go straight to the pros (majors or minors in their multi-tiered club system), whereas students that plan to do something else for a living, go to college or trade school. You don't do both at the same time as one effort will inherently interfere with the other. Whatever sports exist at the college level are for the participants, not spectators. But 100+ years ago, American students, alumni, and paying spectators got emotionally invested in college football and basketball and that system grew instead of a robust minor league system. Thus, the massive contradiction we have today with amateur athletes participating in a $multi-billion sports enterprise that is professional in every other way.

But no one is going to want to scrap major college sports entirely and start over. It's too big a part of our culture and fans are far too emotionally invested to completely undo that model. So, the remedies we see from the Rice commission are about the best we can realistically expect, which means the game will always have some degree of corruption. Whatever the new rules are, certain coaches and programs will break them because of the huge pressure to win and all the money that is at stake. Unless you replace our college system with non-scholarship, D-III athletics that no one watches, a degree of corruption will always exist.
 
Close, but not exactly the situation.

Carolina threatened to disclose similar missteps by a number of other major D1 programs. They also made it clear that they'd in effect launch a massive PR campaign against the NCAA regarding a lack of punishment for those universities. It was very much a scorched earth strategy and the university made it clear that they were willing to take it as far as they could; pulling down the other programs with them.

At the same time, the school used the defense that every student was able to cheat (not just the revenue generating athletes). This defense strategy, while not necessarily brilliant and arguably obvious, gave the committee the way out that they were looking for.

It really was as simple as that in the end.


Go Eff yourself and your cheatin' coach, and your cheatin' school. Emmert and the UNCAA displayed for the entire world that they are not only ball less, but spineless and dick less too. You can take your buddy who up voted you and Eff him too.

As far as Rice, Robinsem, the new commission, and all the black people wringing their hands now, but sat on them for 20 years, what's it like letting your people back on UNC's plantation.
 
UNC devised a system to deny athletes(mainly black athletes) a basic education while building a program and making a profit off their physical abilities.If that isn't bad enough they put them on the Dean's list,handed them a worthless piece of paper and called it a degree.

The NCAA stood by watching and handed UNC a few NCAA men's basketball titles in the process.

All of a sudden the media and a clueless "committee" are up in arms about the exploitation of college athletes,they should get paid,be able to transfer at will and have agents(to take advantage of them) UNC exploited a generation of college athletes,think about that for a bit,a generation of young people who got less than a 5th grade education but received college credit for it.

Rice and her committee should be howling for a Senate investigation of UNC instead of worrying about ending OAD. If the committee wanted to do something that mattered stand up and do it,the opportunity is right in front of them Other institutions could and should hold UNC accountable,don't play them for a year,take a stand if the NCAA won't.The NCAA has more important things to do such as excessive cream cheese on a bagel,unauthorized use of a college water hose,fraudulent 500th win basketballs and illegal cheeseburgers with fries.

Nothing will happen,business as usual will continue.Wendell Carter's mom will get quoted in the media saying he is struggling with the decision to stay or go at Duke but 3 weeks later compare the college experience to slavery but there won't be a peep about actual slavery like conditions at UNC for a generation.
 
Agree with Calamitybone, four.....FOUR of their titles are tainted and SHOULD come down. We all know it, THEY know it, and it needs to be at least kept in the spotlight as long as possible so more people are aware of just how large their cheating was, and also how far back it went.
I'm being honest: had this been UK, with such an embarrassment open to the world, I don't know if I could have kept up my fan-hood. UNCHEAT fans should never, ever bloviate about their idiotic "Carolina Way" ever again. They should humble themselves and admit to all other fans that yes, our school, our coach, everyone cheated to gain an unfair advantage, and four of our banners are extremely tainted. They won't, but they should.

Old Roy is the biggest POS cheater going, and his "awe shucks" demeanor fools no one.

How many schools has Roy put on probation? How many has your current coach, who by the way has the same staff and, ahem "friend of the program" from his previous stop?
 
How many schools has Roy put on probation? How many has your current coach, who by the way has the same staff and, ahem "friend of the program" from his previous stop?

I don't think Calipari put any schools on probation. Umass didn't get any kind of probation because the program didn't do anything wrong.

Memphis got probation but it was because of something with the golf team and not what went on with rose.

Roy got Kansas put on probation before he left if I remember correctly.
 
How many schools has Roy put on probation? How many has your current coach, who by the way has the same staff and, ahem "friend of the program" from his previous stop?
Stupidest post in the history of this board and that's saying a lot. You truly don't believe Mark Emmert has anything to do with UNC being absolutely untouchable no matter what they do much like Duke? Like seriously now, over a questionable not even proven changed SAT score Memphis lost a title appearance, because memphis got in trouble, you think that means your 20+ years of academic fraud orchestrated by Roy and other head coaches to keep players eligible is a far lesser crime? Or you going to hide behind the hypocrisies of the NCAA's rulings and pretend one questionable unproven changes SAT score is worse?

What about the good ol Wheels for Heels scam? Nothing to see here, but camby accepting money from an agent and admitting he did it on his own and didn't tell anyone, that's gotta be as bad as UNC and Roy's wheels for Heels. The NCAA said so. Roy runs arguably the dirtiest CBB program in college neck to neck with Pitino and Self everyone knows it regardless what the NCAA rules. Same for coach K. No educated man uses NCAA rulings to compare and prove arguments as far as which acts were more heinous. Oh nvm, the NCAA never hammers self or K so they're saints regardless of all the proven facts against each's programs, and the NCAA's not willing to touch them which proves their innocence. I mean what's a million dollar home and a very questionable reclassify anyways? Or 6 figures in jewelry.

Btw Cal has never been named in any report to have committed any violations. If we're going to pretend that the NCAA is the all knowing, unbias, enforcer of rules and the judge of morally corrupt programs that decides who is dirty and who isn't. Screw common sense, it's what the NCAA says that's telling of how corrupt or clean a program is. If you believe this. Care to see the million examples of the NCAA being hypocrites and not enforcing the rules fairly to all in which they claim they try and do? So your way of judging if a program is clean or dirty isn't by the actions of a program (UNC admitted to fake classes), but by the rulings of the NCAA.

UNC admitted to academic fraud in one of its first rebuttles to the NCAA's NOA, admitted guilt to the exact thing they were accused of. Then claimed it was a typo and that they actually meant to say 'Paper classes'. And from that point forward they replaced the words academic fraud with paper classes after having admitted to guilt using the words 'academic fraud' multiple times. Of course Mark Emmert and the NCAA bought the whole it was a typo excuse. Considering the words 'academic fraud' are often times auto corrected on our IPhones to the words 'paper classes' since the 2 phrases are so close to each other in spelling. How could they not? I'm guessing you're dumb enough to buy into that. Must be a UNC athlete yourself right? Can't be Sean Maye though, because you do know how to read.
 
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Everyone knows what went on at UNC and how they operate. Everyone knows that UNCheat is the dirtiest program ever and they will always have a black cloud hanging over their head no matter how many cirlcle jerks they have and tell each other it didn’t happen. We all know it did!
 
Stupidest post in the history of this board and that's saying a lot. You truly don't believe Mark Emmert has anything to do with UNC being absolutely untouchable no matter what they do much like Duke? Like seriously now, over a questionable not even proven changed SAT score Memphis lost a title appearance, because memphis got in trouble, you think that means your 20+ years of academic fraud orchestrated by Roy and other head coaches to keep players eligible is a far lesser crime? Or you going to hide behind the hypocrisies of the NCAA's rulings and pretend one questionable unproven changes SAT score is worse?

What about the good ol Wheels for Heels scam? Nothing to see here, but camby accepting money from an agent and admitting he did it on his own and didn't tell anyone, that's gotta be as bad as UNC and Roy's wheels for Heels. The NCAA said so. Roy runs arguably the dirtiest CBB program in college neck to neck with Pitino and Self everyone knows it regardless what the NCAA rules. Same for coach K. No educated man uses NCAA rulings to compare and prove arguments as far as which acts were more heinous. Oh nvm, the NCAA never hammers self or K so they're saints regardless of all the proven facts against each's programs and the NCAA's not willing to touch them which proves their innocence. I mean what's a million dollar home and a very questionable reclassify anyways? Or 6 figures in jewelry.

Btw Cal has never been named in any report to have committed any violations. If we're going to pretend that the NCAA is the all knowing, unbias, enforcer of rules and the judge of morally corrupt programs that decides who is dirty and who isn't. Screw common sense, it's what the NCAA says that's telling of how corrupt or clean a program is. If you believe this. Care to see the million examples of the NCAA being hypocrites and not enforcing the rules fairly to all in which they claim they try and do? So your way of judging if a program is clean or dirty isn't by the actions of a program (UNC admitted to fake classes), but by the rulings of the NCAA.

UNC admitted to academic fraud in one of its first rebuttles to the NCAA's NOA, admitted guilt to the exact thing they were accused of. Then claimed it was a typo and that they actually meant to say 'Paper classes'. And from that point forward they replaced the words academic fraud with paper classes after having admitted to guilt using the words 'academic fraud' multiple times. Of course Mark Emmert and the NCAA bought the whole it was a typo excuse. Considering the words 'academic fraud' are often times auto corrected on our IPhones to the words 'paper classes' since the 2 phrases are so close to each other in spelling. How could they not? I'm guessing you're dumb enough to buy into that. Must be a UNC athlete yourself right? Can't be Sean Maye though, because you do know how to read.

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How many schools has Roy put on probation? How many has your current coach, who by the way has the same staff and, ahem "friend of the program" from his previous stop?
Your school had a National Runners-up banner- a precious commodity for you- taken down for next to nothing, while Roy presided over the most egregious scandal in NCAA history, only to skate... and you're here defending him at the expense of the coach who gave you the best run you've ever had?

Did you suffer brain damage at some point, or is it congenital?
 
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Mark Emmert wasnt on the infractions committee, SEC commissioner Greg Sankey was though. While Emmert is awful, there are actual people who were involved that are to blame.
 
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The fundamental problem is that we've combined big-time spectator sports with academics. No other country in the world does that because they recognize these are two very different endeavors with entirely different priorities. In almost any other country, elite athletes go straight to the pros (majors or minors in their multi-tiered club system), whereas students that plan to do something else for a living, go to college or trade school. You don't do both at the same time as one effort will inherently interfere with the other. Whatever sports exist at the college level are for the participants, not spectators. But 100+ years ago, American students, alumni, and paying spectators got emotionally invested in college football and basketball and that system grew instead of a robust minor league system. Thus, the massive contradiction we have today with amateur athletes participating in a $multi-billion sports enterprise that is professional in every other way.

But no one is going to want to scrap major college sports entirely and start over. It's too big a part of our culture and fans are far too emotionally invested to completely undo that model. So, the remedies we see from the Rice commission are about the best we can realistically expect, which means the game will always have some degree of corruption. Whatever the new rules are, certain coaches and programs will break them because of the huge pressure to win and all the money that is at stake. Unless you replace our college system with non-scholarship, D-III athletics that no one watches, a degree of corruption will always exist.
That is a gross oversimplification.
 
Stupidest post in the history of this board and that's saying a lot. You truly don't believe Mark Emmert has anything to do with UNC being absolutely untouchable no matter what they do much like Duke? Like seriously now, over a questionable not even proven changed SAT score Memphis lost a title appearance, because memphis got in trouble, you think that means your 20+ years of academic fraud orchestrated by Roy and other head coaches to keep players eligible is a far lesser crime? Or you going to hide behind the hypocrisies of the NCAA's rulings and pretend one questionable unproven changes SAT score is worse?

What about the good ol Wheels for Heels scam? Nothing to see here, but camby accepting money from an agent and admitting he did it on his own and didn't tell anyone, that's gotta be as bad as UNC and Roy's wheels for Heels. The NCAA said so. Roy runs arguably the dirtiest CBB program in college neck to neck with Pitino and Self everyone knows it regardless what the NCAA rules. Same for coach K. No educated man uses NCAA rulings to compare and prove arguments as far as which acts were more heinous. Oh nvm, the NCAA never hammers self or K so they're saints regardless of all the proven facts against each's programs and the NCAA's not willing to touch them which proves their innocence. I mean what's a million dollar home and a very questionable reclassify anyways? Or 6 figures in jewelry.

Btw Cal has never been named in any report to have committed any violations. If we're going to pretend that the NCAA is the all knowing, unbias, enforcer of rules and the judge of morally corrupt programs that decides who is dirty and who isn't. Screw common sense, it's what the NCAA says that's telling of how corrupt or clean a program is. If you believe this. Care to see the million examples of the NCAA being hypocrites and not enforcing the rules fairly to all in which they claim they try and do? So your way of judging if a program is clean or dirty isn't by the actions of a program (UNC admitted to fake classes), but by the rulings of the NCAA.

UNC admitted to academic fraud in one of its first rebuttles to the NCAA's NOA, admitted guilt to the exact thing they were accused of. Then claimed it was a typo and that they actually meant to say 'Paper classes'. And from that point forward they replaced the words academic fraud with paper classes after having admitted to guilt using the words 'academic fraud' multiple times. Of course Mark Emmert and the NCAA bought the whole it was a typo excuse. Considering the words 'academic fraud' are often times auto corrected on our IPhones to the words 'paper classes' since the 2 phrases are so close to each other in spelling. How could they not? I'm guessing you're dumb enough to buy into that. Must be a UNC athlete yourself right? Can't be Sean Maye though, because you do know how to read.
One of the best replies, to one of the stupidest posts ever; kudos DreDay, kudos sir.
 
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If Emmert had any honor he would have resigned after handing them the trophy last year
 
All you need to know.

"How do you violate standards if there are no standards? That was a really unique situation."

"There’s no standard and that’s what they argued," he said. "It’s unbelievable that a university would argue that, that these shenanigans were OK."
 
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Your school had a National Runners-up banner- a precious commodity for you- taken down for next to nothing, while Roy presided over the most egregious scandal in NCAA history, only to skate... and you're here defending him at the expense of the coach who gave you the best run you've ever had?

Did you suffer brain damage at some point, or is it congenital?

Listen, I'm not defending Roy, or the NCAA.

My belief is that every school that is perennially in the Top 25, is operating in some manner outside the rules set by the NCAA. I had no delusions that Rose, Evans, and hell even the Laurinburg Prep kids weren't given $, benefits, or academic "coaching."

I have not doubt that the only time Memphis had a 100% clean program was when Tubby was here - and it was the most awful 2 years of my life as a fan. Am I delusional to think that Penny landing top talent again is doing so 100% by the NCAA rulebook? Pahlease.

UK fans are quick to question the Nike influence of Marvin Bagley and his family "coaching" an AAU team, thereby obviously taking $ from Nike and/or an agent, yet PJ Washington's father, who coaches an AAU team, can't possibly be getting $ from Nike or agent.

UK fans are quick to accuse a kid of taking $ because he commits to Nevada, even though Nevada offered him 3 years ago and has been on him the longest, yet Bam, Knox being named as receiving $ in the FBI report is explained away. Or Skal, who's guardian was blatantly asking high schools and colleges to pay him for Skal's services, and who other programs backed off, somehow ends up in Kentucky. Just that Cal recruiting magic.

Just keeping it real.
 
Close, but not exactly the situation.

Carolina threatened to disclose similar missteps by a number of other major D1 programs. They also made it clear that they'd in effect launch a massive PR campaign against the NCAA regarding a lack of punishment for those universities. It was very much a scorched earth strategy and the university made it clear that they were willing to take it as far as they could; pulling down the other programs with them.

At the same time, the school used the defense that every student was able to cheat (not just the revenue generating athletes). This defense strategy, while not necessarily brilliant and arguably obvious, gave the committee the way out that they were looking for.

It really was as simple as that in the end.

Yea, they threatened to pull Duke into it and it went away. That's who "those other schools" are. Tobacco roads finest.

Dirtiest programs in history.
 
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