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Crazy Billy Gillispie stories...

Damn... I had never heard the Alex Legion GF story! Was this mostly speculation or rumor? Or, did it have some legit substance behind it?

I have a cousin who lives in Lexington and is relatively connected to UK athletics (a booster, but he will be the first to admit, he's not a "big shot") and he has told me about several of the stories posted in this thread, but never heard about this.

Hooking up with your own player's GF- that's cold-blooded. It's insane and almost borders in comparison to having one's father betray you like this, since most college players consider the coach as a father-like mentor.
 
I've heard Bob Knight did something similar at IU. You know, Mr. My Morals Are Better Than Anyone Else's?
 
Absolutely I know, and none of them had to do with NCAA violations.

MONEY


Mitch actually said that we were going after the same money people (investors) that they were and they needed these people.


UK knew immediately that the Big Blue Nation trademark could be worth millions. I had never thought of it that way, just protecting my little company.
- It is funny how much UK used BBN immediately after the legal issues, they even stole our logo (upside down Nike swoosh), they put it on bill boards all over town.


Host Communications was paying a lot of money to be the media representative at the time.
_ You guys need to think back, there wasn't a whole lot of fan interaction media, the Cats Pause was a news paper, Host did the coaches show and game programs, other than a couple of early message boards, which were not news based just fan discussion, that was it.


The internet was just coming into its own. There was no Facebook, Google wasn't even the largest search engine when i started.

No social media, no texting, not even Youtube - yet we were the first with streaming videos!

We had a couple great techies who burned up Mac G4's and we were the very first to order the new G5's in KY.

We had a youth, creativity, enthusiasm and technology advantage.

Lots of fun, lots of stress, lots of memories and lots of business lessons learned.
This is all super fascinating to me. If you ever decide to finish that book, let me know. I'd love to read more.
 
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Absolutely I know, and none of them had to do with NCAA violations.

MONEY


Mitch actually said that we were going after the same money people (investors) that they were and they needed these people.


UK knew immediately that the Big Blue Nation trademark could be worth millions. I had never thought of it that way, just protecting my little company.
- It is funny how much UK used BBN immediately after the legal issues, they even stole our logo (upside down Nike swoosh), they put it on bill boards all over town.


Host Communications was paying a lot of money to be the media representative at the time.
_ You guys need to think back, there wasn't a whole lot of fan interaction media, the Cats Pause was a news paper, Host did the coaches show and game programs, other than a couple of early message boards, which were not news based just fan discussion, that was it.


The internet was just coming into its own. There was no Facebook, Google wasn't even the largest search engine when i started.

No social media, no texting, not even Youtube - yet we were the first with streaming videos!

We had a couple great techies who burned up Mac G4's and we were the very first to order the new G5's in KY.

We had a youth, creativity, enthusiasm and technology advantage.

Lots of fun, lots of stress, lots of memories and lots of business lessons learned.


Brian, somewhere down the road you and I are going to have a few drinks

The Summer after BG was out at UK...The DFW Alumni had our annual Derby party at Lone Star Park.

We always secure the big tent area that holds about 350 people, great place for racing and the Derby.

I had walked over inside a private door we had into the inside gambling area ...there sits ole BG having a drink.

I was of course pissed at him like most UK fans, so I walked up and said "hey Billy, we're having a big derby party just inside here and I wanted to ask you to come over.

I then explained it was a UK Alumni party and we would really enjoy you coming in we have a lot to talk about.

He literally took a step back and said...NO don't think so I don't trust you....I asked why would you not trust me about our party.

He say's I don't trust you not to whip my ass, I just laughed and said that thought crossed my mind.

He just turned and left his table and walked off. By this time several UK fans were around laughing and wishing him the ...uh well not the best.
 
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Brian, somewhere down the road you and I are going to have a few drinks

The Summer after BG was out at UK...The DFW Alumni had our annual Derby party at Lone Star Park.

We always secure the big tent area that holds about 350 people, great place for racing and the Derby.

I had walked over inside a private door we had into the inside gambling area ...there sits ole BG having a drink.

I was of course pissed at him like most UK fans, so I walked up and said "hey Billy, we're having a big derby party just inside here and I wanted to ask you to come over.

I then explained it was a UK Alumni party and we would really enjoy you coming in we have a lot to talk about.

He literally took a step back and said...NO don't think so I don't trust you....I asked why would you not trust me about our party.

He say's I don't trust you not to whip my ass, I just laughed and said that thought crossed my mind.

He just turned and left his table and walked off. By this time several UK fans were around laughing and wishing him the ...uh well not the best.


Wow....

I'm sure most athletics depts are their own little kingdom with a ton of soap operaesque people...But we rank pretty high, so many UK stories people do not know about.


Would love to get together anytime.

That is one thing I stole from
Wildcatfaithful - poster parties.

It was always so cool to meet the people behind the user names.
 
Wow....

I'm sure most athletics depts are their own little kingdom with a ton of soap operaesque people...But we rank pretty high, so many UK stories people do not know about.


Would love to get together anytime.

That is one thing I stole from
Wildcatfaithful - poster parties.

It was always so cool to meet the people behind the user names.

Sometime this season we have to get together, I was going to be at the UK/pUKe game but my daughter is having my first Grandson that week!
 
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I always wondered why billy g was saying to the refs from his crouch position. Because he sure as hell got teed up a lot from it lol. I always imagined like billy g saying "bleeped your sister. Go bleep yourself. I will kill your family if I don't get a t." Any inside info there?
 
It turned out well.

This is a very tough industry to make money in and luckily i went in a totally new direction.

Went from below zero to back on top.

Was able to pay my family back the money they invested.

And I learned a whole lot from that experience.

Mitch's kids and mine played in the same league a few years ago so things tempered.

Never spoke to Sandy again although we have seen each other a few times.


I still get pissed about it but I would not change it because life now is so much better.
An old friend of mine was one of the lawyers hired by Basset...six degrees
 
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I talked to a former player he told me several stories about BCG. He had several voicemails saved on his phone were he would drunk dial him and just ramble on about crazy off the wall stuff. One of the most bizarre stories was he had a guy hired to search his house for him. On his way home from a road trip he would call the guy to go to his house, search it from top to bottom and make sure no one was in it. Until the guy searched it he wouldn't go back in it.
 
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I don't think the BCG that interviewed for the position was the same BCG who went off the rails. That job isn't for everybody. I think he cracked big time under the pressure.
 
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BCG was a disaster. There at the end he was recruiting guys like KC Ross Miller and Dakota Euton.

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damn, I hate to read that Brian

Seems to me you were just ahead of the game and Sandy was still operating scared from how to run things in 1989.

I have to say that Sandy must be under incredible pressure to keep things on the straight and narrow. I suspect Sandy has left a trail of people UK has run over to keep the machine running.

If I had known all that I might not have given you so much crap for being on the Tubby bandwagon back in the day ;)
 
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I don't think the BCG that interviewed for the position was the same BCG who went off the rails. That job isn't for everybody. I think he cracked big time under the pressure.

no he was

he was a saving face hire for Barnhart, but if you look at Gillispie he had the reputation as a program rebuilder - but not in the same rare air as UK. He operated best without scrutiny where no one cared if you made kids run stairs until their feet bleed. Gillispie excelled as the kind of coach who could take so-so players and turn them into iron men - which in a football conference would get you an above .500 season in basketball.

Now bring in a player like Acie Law and have the good fortune to be in the right place (playing in Rupp) at the right time (Against a poorly prepared Louisville team when Tubby was shopping around for a retirement gig) and you end up with Mitch running his ass to A&M to get a "handshake" deal with Gillispie after Donovan left him with egg on his face.

Mitch wanted a coach that highlighted the worst aspect of Tubby (perceived or real) and that was a tireless recruiter, except there was no way Gillispie was going to establish a network with Kentucky high school coaches like he did in Texas as he worked among them early in his career - and even if he did, there isn't enough talent in the state to make it work. Gillispie wasn't going to go into recruiting hotbeds and steal a 5 star kid. I know people talk about Patterson but Patterson already had a huge investment from UK.

Someone with seasoning in hiring college coaches and prepared to have a vetting process wouldn't have made that hiring mistake.
 
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I talked to a former player he told me several stories about BCG. He had several voicemails saved on his phone were he would drunk dial him and just ramble on about crazy off the wall stuff. One of the most bizarre stories was he had a guy hired to search his house for him. On his way home from a road trip he would call the guy to go to his house, search it from top to bottom and make sure no one was in it. Until the guy searched it he wouldn't go back in it.


It is telling the difference between BCG and Cal.


Gillespie's house was not even in Lexington.

"Pannell said she didn't know exactly what attracted Gillispie to that particular house except "he wanted some privacy, something big enough for the team. And this just fit the bill.""


"During his first news conference as the head UK men's basketball coach, Calipari said he would prefer to live near campus."

Cal currently lives 1.9 miles away from the lodge. He always wanted to be close to his players so they could reach him at any time.
 
damn, I hate to read that Brian

Seems to me you were just ahead of the game and Sandy was still operating scared from how to run things in 1989.

I have to say that Sandy must be under incredible pressure to keep things on the straight and narrow. I suspect Sandy has left a trail of people UK has run over to keep the machine running.

If I had known all that I might not have given you so much crap for being on the Tubby bandwagon back in the day ;)


Tubby and Donna treated us like gold. I will always admire the man for that. He did falter, and at the end he was ready to go as much as UK was ready for him to leave.
 
I don't know of anyone who has ever said a bad thing about Tubby the man.

but lets not turn this into a Tubby thread. I don't enjoy talking about Tubby.

I LOVE talking about crazy Gillispie (now anyways)

I had fun with that (Hitler) Gillispie reacts to VMI video right after the VMI loss.
 
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For those old enough to remember, I compare BCG's years to John Lennon's lost weekend.
 
Tubby and Donna treated us like gold. I will always admire the man for that. He did falter, and at the end he was ready to go as much as UK was ready for him to leave.

Brian, I just read that account of your business and personal experience with Bell. I'm pretty shocked and I hate to hear how all that turned out. I've always had the greatest respect for her in regards to how few serious problems the school has had in regards to NCAA issues. That said, it certainly seems that your treatment was harsh. Reading between the lines, I know your deepest insult was no doubt the repercussions on those you employed and surrounding your business which I'm sure you regarded as friends as any small business proprietor would do.

You must truly be a staunch fan to have remained loyal to the Cats after that experience.
 
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Billy's years were the only time that I can say I don't even remember the players that were on our roster outside of Meeks, Jasper, Galloway, and the guys who played for Cal.

Porter and Courie also come to mind.
 
The last two years of Tubby were brutal. When we hired BCG I thought we'd be watchable again. His second year was a shock.

Criticize Mitch all you want. He realized his mistake and pulled the trigger. He stayed with Brooks in football when Brooks first two years were terrible. And he has made many of the other programs very good.
 
Brian, I just read that account of your business and personal experience with Bell. I'm pretty shocked and I hate to hear how all that turned out. I've always had the greatest respect for her in regards to how few serious problems the school has had in regards to NCAA issues. That said, it certainly seems that your treatment was harsh. Reading between the lines, I know your deepest insult was no doubt the repercussions on those you employed and surrounding your business which I'm sure you regarded as friends as any small business proprietor would do.

You must truly be a staunch fan to have remained loyal to the Cats after that experience.


Sandy is very good at her job regarding the athletes.

People do not realize how much she does on the business side. All of the infringement cases against local businesses come from her office as well. Bigg Blue Martini downtown (which was originally Big Blue Martini before UK threatened and forced the name change), Wildcat Liquor (who total them to pound sand), there was a Dominos issue, many others back then, and now the KY Mist Distillery.

The fact that UK athletics trademarked the word Kentucky and think they own the word and the color Blue is so arrogant, KY companies cannot use the state name without UK permission... WTH?

I mean I can see how people would confuse this with UK sports...

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You can read UK's letter to KY Mist Moonshine here, it actually states "the use of "Kentucky Mist Moonshine" is likely to cause deception and confusion to consumers as an affiliate of UK...

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/...ry-says-UK-disputing-trademark-335157651.html




And Bassfan, you are correct, we had people that quit their jobs to join our company. These were guys from the message board that worked like crazy on the magazine, selling advertising, learning how to use TV cameras, etc.

We had a tight, committed group.

We were all naive because we couldn't see UK's big picture, our goal was simply to promote KY high school sports and UK sports with the best technology possible. We thought UK would love us.

UK didn't care about that, they cared about protecting their revenue stream (Host Communications) and grabbing any and all Intellectual Property they could.

However, we were not alone in this struggle as many other Insider and Rival sites had issues with Universities and the whole Internet is not media issue. We happened to be the first and the largest situation.
 
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Sandy is very good at her job regarding the athletes.

People do not realize how much she does on the business side. All of the infringement cases against local businesses come from her office as well. Bigg Blue Martini downtown (which was originally Big Blue Martini before UK threatened and forced the name change), Wildcat Liquor (who total them to pound sand), there was a Dominos issue, many others back then, and now the KY Mist Distillery.

The fact that UK athletics trademarked the word Kentucky and think they own the word and the color Blue is so arrogant, KY companies cannot use the state name without UK permission... WTH?

I mean I can see how people would confuse this with UK sports...

kymist.jpg


You can read UK's letter to KY Mist Moonshine here, it actually states "the use of "Kentucky Mist Moonshine" is likely to cause deception and confusion to consumers as an affiliate of UK...

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/...ry-says-UK-disputing-trademark-335157651.html




And Bassfan, you are correct, we had people that quit their jobs to join our company. These were guys from the message board that worked like crazy on the magazine, selling advertising, learning how to use TV cameras, etc.

We had a tight, committed group.

We were all naive because we couldn't see UK's big picture, our goal was simply to promote KY high school sports and UK sports with the best technology possible. We thought UK would love us.

UK didn't care about that, they cared about protecting their revenue stream (Host Communications) and grabbing any and all Intellectual Property they could.

However, we were not alone in this struggle as many other Insider and Rival sites had issues with Universities and the whole Internet is not media issue. We happened to be the first and the largest situation.

I wish I could say I was surprised in regards to the trademark protection and copyright infringement measures. However in my line of work I've seen corporations go to extreme lengths to 'stake their claim' so to speak. I would have thought that 'Kentucky' and 'blue' were overly general. That's an area of law where I'm exceptionally ignorant however.

I'll say again, you have my great respect for remaining a fan through all of that.
 
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The fact that UK athletics trademarked the word Kentucky and think they own the word and the color Blue is so arrogant, KY companies cannot use the state name without UK permission... WTH?

Thanks for sharing about your experiences with the UK admin. This stuff is much deeper that the marketing dept. I have had 2 disappointing relationships with the UK admin. One as student rep on a UK board and one many years later, as an employee. Both left bad feelings for me about UK admin.

Anyway, a person with money (able to hire competent copyright lawyers) could successfully argue that "Kentucky" is in the public domain. Kentucky was here long before UK was here.
"Blue" was here before they even had a word for it. Money is the key and they have it.

Still a UK BBN fan.
 
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I heard that he picked up this hooker one time. And the hooker ended up being a man. And when he found out he just chugged a pint of cheep vodka, said screw it and did the she male hooker anyways.
 
As much as i do not like her from a personal standpoint, i'd bet Sandy Bell would handle that situation much differently than Memphis did.

Even so take a look at the following class - in which he pulled Tyreke Evans.

Had he been here the year prior he probably adds JaMychal Green and Scottie Hopson to that class.

Add those 3 to PPat and Meeks, Miller and Liggins...

Definitely not NIT...
Maybe but the Eric Bledsoe thing slipped under her nose so there's no way to know but he would have most likely have played after being cleared 2 times. Now maybe Sandy would have made Cal set him in January when the first letter was sent to Memphis questioning the Sat scores but we probably have to vacate those games he played in. Who knows really. Let's just say we're glad we did not have to deal with it.

Yeah derrick Rose was what really started it but the Wall class kicked his recruiting into another stratosphere. Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, and Xavier Henry were all going to Memphis and he would have been on a similar roll there as he is here. Him and Kentucky coming together at the exact time they did is why I've always referred to it as a perfect storm.
 
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Lots of people here know about it. It was in USA Today and on ESPN.


In the early 2000's I was working with the pioneers of recruiting - Max Emfinger, Tom Lemming and even Clark in the dark Francis.

I was pretty close to taking over Wildcatfaithful for Mel before he passed, but things became very complicated.

I was approached by Jim Heckman and Bernie Kosar. Heckman had founded Rivals (this network) but couldnt get it going, Rivals basically shut down in 2001 after its bankruptcy and fired Heckman. The company brought in new money and leadership.

Heckman immediately started the Insiders.com (which eventually became Scout).

He and Kosar wanted me to start the Insiders KY website.

This site also came with a publishing deal from Vulcan Publishing for a monthly full color magazine.

I accepted and named my company Nations Media.

I named the UK portion of the media Big Blue Nation and realized I was the first to ever use the name in commerce.

So I filed to trademark it.

This was 15 years ago and long before all the other "Nation" craze, I also set out to trademark Buckeye Nation, Gator Nation, etc, even Sports Nation and many more. One of the few things i was very early on.


So we started our website and really took off very well, primarily because of recruiting. We couldnt hang with Darryl Bird at the time with all of his connections with the Cats Pause so we had to go another route. And since recruiting was my sweet spot we hit that.

The Insiders were also actively setting up a very tight recruiting network. You may recognize these guys, who were very young in the biz at the time:

Dave Telep
Jamie Newburg
Chris Fetters
Greg Hicks
Chris Pool
Myself and a few others I cannot remember.


Things moved very rapidly and we were able to build good relations with many coaching staffs, not just UK.

We eventually started a radio show which aired weekly on Monday nights, we also did pregame and post game shows, and a Sunday morning call in show all on Clear Channel.

We eventually launched a television show which aired on Ch27 local CBS and 56, then on Fox Sports South and even on ESPN2.

We always had former players on the radio and TV shows, and Jim Tirey was our host, we eventually hired a couple of Fox Sports anchors for our television show.

I hired some very good writers for the magazine:

Dan Wetzel now with Yahoo.
Larry Vaught
Lonnie Demaree
and several writers from other publications


We started doing screen printing and embroidery, moved to a 20,000 sf building and were awarded NCAA licensing rights. We sold to Wal Mart and many other locations and even had an SEC tourney contract.

I actually opened a UK only store on Nicholasville Road.


We were KSR on steroids long before KSR ever started and we blew the Cats Pause away.


But things started to go badly.

Host Communications had the media contract for UK sports and these guys were awful.

Our show aired right before their coaches show with Rob Bromley (boring)...and we had recruiting highlights, music, slow motion, all kinds of cool stuff. Made that show look amateur.

Jim Host was not happy and I heard about it.

UK began to prevent access to my staff, and were throwing away our magazines on campus.

Sandy Bell let us know that she had to proof our magazine prior to printing, she also demanded unfettered access to our website including the moderator forums.

Then UK found out about my trademark application for Big Blue Nation. They wanted it bad. I offered free use for eternity but that wasn't good enough.

Sandy launched a war against us.

She said Dougie Allen couldnt interview recruits because he didnt have a journalism degree, she blackballed us at away games.

She was incensed that I had been at Claude Bassett's secret recruiting update meetings for big boosters. Of course I was there, I was the area recruiting expert, i never gave money however.

She was also was mad that I told fans who we were recruiting and when/where they were playing.

Remember the whole KSR go to Damian Harris football game campaign? Ours wasn't nearly that intense at all, but she said this was helping UK recruit. We did also ask fans for info on any potential walk ons or grey shirts (a request that came from the staff).

We also were the first to hold combines, before Rivals or any other Insiders company.

We were at Auburn, Bama, and held a big one at UK, some posters here actually volunteered and worked that camp. All of our coaches attended.

But Sandy didnt like this, even though we refused to interview any player without their coach present.

When I fought their lawsuit on the trademark the hammer came down hard.

Sandy accused me of being a booster and a rogue fan. Although I never gave the school one penny and graduated from Transy.

She claimed that our interview of Woodsen and Tamme on our TV show was a NCAA violation. Their coaches were there as well btw.

We posted the televised interviews on the BBN website and Sandy proclaimed:

"Websites are NOT media" she totally dismissed our other media units.

Only Sandy could determine if you were a media entity regardless of your operation.

The NCAA said it MAY be a violation but we heard nothing from them.

We never contacted kids like these guys do today and we never asked leading questions.

Nevertheless UK banned me for 27 years.

I was declared a rogue fan, not a business owner, despite the 25 employees, website, magazine, radio and tv shows.


UK just buried us in the lawsuit as we tried to fight it, they kept extending knowing we would run out of cash.

We eventually folded, all of these employees were just like you guys, I basically hired from our website. Big time fans happy to be in the sports industry.


Friends and family lost money, I was destroyed financially.

I could go through way more stories than the BCG thread on all the little things Sandy and her office did to hurt us.
- Making our camera guy leave Rupp at tip off
- Telling away opponents we were under investigation and they revoke our passes after driving 12 hours.

In my opinion she is not a good person, and many in Lex will tell you that. She is good at her job though.

Mitch as well, he knew all of it, and he and I went to the same church. Lots of dirty play.

But I learned that college sports is fun for us fans but in reality it is BIG business and you will get run over if a school doesnt want you around.


USA Today:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/other/2004-01-14-kentucky-booster-ban_x.htm

ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1709656&type=news
Holy shit Brian! That's effin crazy bro. I had no idea that was you. I remember reading that article when it came out. Wow. Sounds like you were railroaded hard. Glad everything worked out for you in the end.
 
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What about BCG knowing he was going to get fired so he did not show up to the meeting with Barnhart and Todd where it was going to happen. They had a press conference scheduled to let everyone know he was fired but could not find him to actually do it. He was driving in circles on New Circle trying to hide while not answering the phone because he knew he was done. They had all the media already gathered and had to push it back because they could not find him to fire him lol
 
Honestly if BCG woulda won. None of these stories matter. There's stories like this across the nation. Glad they hired him and got cal who seems to b a faithful family man. Go big blue!
 
[QUOTE=".S&C., post: 2678000, member: 12422]
I still stand behind my opinion Barnhart should have been removed from hirings after that. It was his guy, he hired him on his own, without anyone. It's no wonder the cal hire happened, as the right people made it happen. I still to this day don't believe Mitch is in charge of basketball, and from the looks of it, needs to be removed from football.

Gillispie is the single worst hire in this schools history by a long shot. Joker is one of the worst in football history. How does Mitch survive? I wish I could suck this badly at my job and survive.[/QUOTE]
I still stand behind my opinion that Barnhart should have been fired the second he hired Cal. Fired because he did not hire Cal over Otis because he thought Cal was smarmy, or fired because he compromised his moral and ethical stand from two years earlier and hired Cal. Unless you like Field Hockey and Rifle and enjoy softball stadiums, Barnhart has been a cancer on the entire athletic department.
 
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I have to believe not getting to coach in the Cancun Classic had to be one of BCG greatest career disappointments.
Can you imagine how epic Clyde would have been at an all-inclusive in Cancun?
 
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I saw him at dinner at a restaurant later that night. He again came up to my table and stood there and said, "Did you know I've been married twice. Both my wives are dead." I said, "Coach, I thought you were divorced just once." He said, "No, both my wives are dead. Do you want to know how they died?" I said sure. He said, "The first one died from eating poisonous mushrooms. And the second one died from a blow to the back of the head when she wouldn't eat the poisonous mushrooms."

I will say, the stupid shyt he did got a lot of support on this board. When he treated that reporter like a jerk, I would bet 80% of posts were all "go billy. I don't know why coaches have to take questions at halftime and she asked stupid questions." When he skipped the rotary, it was spun that he was standing up to the good old boy network. And wasn't it great we have a coach out there recruiting instead of back slapping. Tipton used to ask him about those same day practiced allot. But because it was Tipton, everyone jumped to defend Billy. Todd wasn't a big fan of him recruiting eighth graders. But he was just the president and he needed to let BCG do his job.
 
I still stand behind my opinion that Barnhart should have been fired the second he hired Cal. Fired because he did not hire Cal over Otis because he thought Cal was smarmy, or fired because he compromised his moral and ethical stand from two years earlier and hired Cal. Unless you like Field Hockey and Rifle and enjoy softball stadiums, Barnhart has been a cancer on the entire athletic department.


I never really thought of that. I think that is actually a good point
 
What were his strengths? You read this thread and you wonder how he survived the first month on the job.
 
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