Coach cal

[brianpoe]

No... you're the idiot. You say coaches continue to recruit players to make inroads with the family or the staff...unless Giles has a brother I haven't heard about that makes no sense. And Giles goes to Oak Hill...I guess he and Coach Cal just met so Cal needs to stay on his good side. Ridiculous. You'd have folks to believe you know a lot more than you actually do. Happens all the time on message boards. You got called out over your bull$hittery and can't stand it.

Not sure that is the case with Giles but it is a fact in SEC football recruiting circles.

Teams recruit players they know they will not get for a bunch of reasons.

Inroads with the high school/area

The impression that the program is good enough to recruit these guys.

The hope in landing other kids.

And others.

The book about the SEC Bagman reveals a lot of this.


I don't think Cal in particular has to do this and I am not sure S&C wasn't making more of a general statement as to why the practice does occur.

 

[JerseyCat84]

Cal could have been there to see any number of recruits. It's not like Giles is the only talented player on Oak Hill's roster. They always have multiple high D1 talents.

Not only that but I believe Cal watches a lot of these kids just to put together a scouting report on them just as much as he does to actually recruit them.

Also, Cal seems like a great sport about recruiting as well. I mean why shouldn't he be? He gets more than his share. I think sometimes he goes out of his way to preserve the suspense for some of these kids even if he knows the kid is going elsewhere. Notice even the kids that turn him down always have nothing but nice things to say about him afterwords. Probably a reputation he'd like to keep.

Montana does present a valid question, do we know he was there to see Giles specifically?

 

[Born and raised Big Blue]

Oh shoot he is doing his commitment in oak hill and not North Carolina looking good for the cats. I just have a feeling.

 

[SmoothRunner32]

Giles is going to pick a school next week of course he was there to see him specifically.

 

[brianpoe]

Cal could have been there to see any number of recruits. It's not like Giles is the only talented player on Oak Hill's roster. They always have multiple high D1 talents.

Not only that but I believe Cal watches a lot of these kids just to put together a scouting report on them just as much as he does to actually recruit them.

Also, Cal seems like a great sport about recruiting as well. I mean why shouldn't he be? He gets more than his share. I think sometimes he goes out of his way to preserve the suspense for some of these kids even if he knows the kid is going elsewhere. Notice even the kids that turn him down always have nothing but nice things to say about him afterwords. Probably a reputation he'd like to keep.

Montana does present a valid question, do we know he was there to see Giles specifically?

Oak hill has 2 5 star PGs' for the 2017 class, not sure Cal is on either of them.

We have been active with Trae Young out of Oklahoma for PG.


No other players in the Top 60.

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

I am the furthest thing from a tin hat guy, but to me that's more interesting to think about if K had remained the team USA coach - would certain elite players be afraid of being left off the roster? I doubt K is that petty, but theoretically, if he has the power to put Plumlee on undeservedly, he has the power to keep someone else off undeservedly.

When he put Plumlee on undeservedly he was, in fact, leaving someone off undeservedly

 

[Bigblueforever]

Ok so now I guess that means Giles is ours? Please.

Duke bound. But I truly believe cal thinks he has a shot. That's good enough for me but I still think he's Duke bound and always has been.

Well good for you!!! I just love these statement.

 

[mebeblue2]

Harrison Barnes was thought to be a lock for Duke...................just saying

 

[tank2009]

Anyone have any insight as to why he moved up announcemenat and doing it at oak hill?

Seems positive for uk....but who knows?

 

[Bigkyfan10]

Wiggins

 

[Cawood86]

I have no idea what Giles will do. I have long felt he was going to Durham. Still do. Certainly hope I'm wrong.

 

[.S&C.]

Well good for you!!! I just love these statement.

Would be so super cool to find myself licking wounds for that one.

 

[LandofOzDevil]

nevermind. Wrong info

 

[brianpoe]

Wiggins

Absolutely, horribly false.

This is does not bode well for your recruiting knowledge, nor those who liked your answer.

No one knew where he would sign.


Tell me when did Cal recruit Wiggins after May 14th?

Even Self had no idea he was choosing Kansas:

“This was a pleasant surprise because we never had an idea which way he was [leaning]. Andrew did this the exact way he said he was going to. He played his cards very close to his vest as did his mother and father. I knew we were one of four."

 

[Bigkyfan10]

Right after Wiggins committed , Matt Jones stated that for the past month the UK basketball staff didn't think Wiggins was coming to UK. And during that month coach Cal visited with Wiggins. So no you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[JerseyCat84]

Right after Wiggins committed , Matt Jones stated that for the past month the UK basketball staff didn't think Wiggins was coming to UK. And during that month coach Cal visited with Wiggins. So no you don't know what you are talking about.

I'm sure you have your source close to the UK staff that knows how they feel about Giles right?

 

[KDcats11]

Right after Wiggins committed , Matt Jones stated that for the past month the UK basketball staff didn't think Wiggins was coming to UK. And during that month coach Cal visited with Wiggins. So no you don't know what you are talking about.

Neither do you.

 

[brianpoe]

Right after Wiggins committed , Matt Jones stated that for the past month the UK basketball staff didn't think Wiggins was coming to UK. And during that month coach Cal visited with Wiggins. So no you don't know what you are talking about.

You think Wiggins told Cal he wasn't coming to UK and was signing with KU?

But he didnt even tell Self?

Big difference in having a "feeling" about a recruit and what you said:

"I have a strong feeling that Giles has told coach Cal that he is going to Duke"

Its not even close, coaches have feelings about every recruit.

I'm not sure why I'm even debating such an argument...?


You are simply way off base here. If a recruit tells Cal he is definitely committing somewhere else Cal is moving on.

To think any different is crazy and there is zero proof to suggest otherwise.

 

[UKKAZ#1]

Cal don't wave white flags, if he wants someone he goes after them even if he loses.. The only time Cal backs off a recruit is if he see's red flags or don't think he's a good fit for UK

 

[CarolinaCat11]

Ben Roberts, Chris Fisher and others are reporting the "new" announcement date and location isn't 100% confirmed. Evan Daniels is also reporting Duke is still the favorite as of now.

 

[KyFord]

Giles may have changed his plans because he is UK bound. He likes Cal better than K and is friends with Fox, Giles has also said he knows where Monk/Fox will most likely sign with.

Cal has sold these 3 guys on playing with each other, winning a title and being the greatest class of all time.

It's possible that Cal has pulled this off, but no one really knows . People will just assume it's Duke for now.

 

[cawoodsct]

Giles may have changed his plans because he is UK bound. He likes Cal better than K and is friends with Fox, Giles has also said he knows where Monk/Fox will most likely sign with.

Cal has sold these 3 guys on playing with each other, winning a title and being the greatest class of all time.

It's possible that Cal has pulled this off, but no one really knows . People will just assume it's Duke for now.

I like the cut of your jib.

 

[screwduke]

The only absolute is coaches (even Cal) will recruit certain recruits knowing full well they/he probably won't land them. To me, this is one of those situations. It's called making in-roads, and this is a common practice in recruiting.

It's smart to be connected on the recruiting trail. You never know when another ace recruit is going to pop up at said school and it will be beneficial to already have a relationship with people connected to him.

No internet info.......common f'ing sense.

I highly doubt Cal recruits people thinking he has no chance at getting them. When he's after somebody he thinks he can get them, a long shot or not

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

Why any recruit wouldn't pick UK is beyond me at this point. If he doesn't pick UK, I just can't help but shake my head and laugh!

 

[Bigkyfan10]

If he told Cal he was going to Duke why would he be at his game tonight?

Really?

You think Giles has told Cal he is not coming to UK and that he is in fact going to Duke? He lod Cal this?

And in order to "stay classy" Cal wastes his time to travel and watch him play instead of pursuing other options even more aggressively.

This is not SEC football, which S&C was kind of referring to for multiple reasons, which are definitely true.

Cal does not have to waste time.

Cal does not have to appear to be "classy".

Classiness has nothing to do with this.

Can you name any player that gave us a solid no that we continued to just show up to look classy?

Cal says UK is not for everybody and move on to the next.


I am sorry but this makes absolutely zero sense to me. I may be the only one who disagrees with your take here, but I do disagree wholeheartedly.

Giles may very well end up at Duke but I'd bet he hasn't told Cal that his mind his 100% made up.

Absolutely, horribly false.

This is does not bode well for your recruiting knowledge, nor those who liked your answer.

No one knew where he would sign.


Tell me when did Cal recruit Wiggins after May 14th?

Even Self had no idea he was choosing Kansas:

“This was a pleasant surprise because we never had an idea which way he was [leaning]. Andrew did this the exact way he said he was going to. He played his cards very close to his vest as did his mother and father. I knew we were one of four."

You think Wiggins told Cal he wasn't coming to UK and was signing with KU?

But he didnt even tell Self?

Big difference in having a "feeling" about a recruit and what you said:

"I have a strong feeling that Giles has told coach Cal that he is going to Duke"

Its not even close, coaches have feelings about every recruit.

I'm not sure why I'm even debating such an argument...?


You are simply way off base here. If a recruit tells Cal he is definitely committing somewhere else Cal is moving on.

To think any different is crazy and there is zero proof to suggest otherwise.

did I say any of that... no. I don't think Wiggins told coach Cal I'm going to Kansas, but I do think they knew they weren't getting Wiggins. Matt Jones usually had good sources

 

[UK_Johnny24]

I swear I think we get him. He knows UK is the best decision for him. Think about how sexy this team would/will be......... And btw I have a feeling Ulis could decide to return. But even if he didn't we're still the best.....Again. The only concern I would have is shooting. This years team is what I want to see every year. 2-3 excellent 3pt shooters. (Ulis, Murray, Mulder) If Ulis decides to leave then maybe we could get Alkins.

Ulis
Fox
Monk
Gabriel
Giles

Mathews
Mulder
Willis
SKJ
Humphries

 

[Bigkyfan10]

I'm sure you have your source close to the UK staff that knows how they feel about Giles right?

nobi don't have sources, i listen to what the KSR staff says, what the national recruiting analyst say, and also just use some common sense.

 

[JerseyCat84]

nobi don't have sources, i listen to what the KSR staff says, what the national recruiting analyst say, and also just use some common sense.

I thought so.

 

[brianpoe]

didbibsay any of that no. I don't think Wiggins told coach Cal I'm going to Kansas, but I do think they knew they weren't getting Wiggins. Matt Jones usually had good sources

Ok, but that is not what you said about Giles.

You said:

"I have a strong feeling that Giles has told coach Cal that he is going to Duke"

"its just classy to stay supportive through out the entire process and not be one of those coaches that pulls the offer just cuz he know he aint getting them"


I totally disagreed that if Giles TOLD Cal he was going to Duke that Cal would "keep it classy and support the kid by going to his games".

I asked you to name another player that told Cal he was committing elsewhere but he continued to recruit, and you said Wiggins.

Again totally false. He told no one.

And you come back with: Matt Jones said UK had a feeling they wouldn't get him but we recruited him anyway....


Not even close to the same discussion.


Every team has a feeling about a kid, but until that kid tells them he isnt coming they keep recruiting them.


To think our coach was told "I am not coming" and Cal says "that's ok I want to be classy and keep supporting you, instead of recruiting the next option" is absolutely asinine.


You are now now backing away from your own word "told" and using the word "feeling"

The line "Cal is just keeping it classy to support the poor little number one recruit in the nation" is comical.

 

[brianpoe]

nobi don't have sources, i listen to what the KSR staff says, what the national recruiting analyst say, and also just use some common sense.

When did KSR say Giles told Cal he was not coming to UK and is going to Duke?


When did KSR say WIggins told Cal he wasnt coming to UK and was going to KU?


What national analyst ever said this?

Perhaps your common sense is not as brilliant as you think it is?

 

[Fitch44]

Umm 96% of the national recruiting analyst think he's going to Duke and think UK has a 0%. How do you not see the writing on the wall?

You are right, national re

nobi don't have sources, i listen to what the KSR staff says, what the national recruiting analyst say, and also just use some common sense.

You lost me at "Matt jones said..."

KSR is a good sight for general info, they don't know diddly squat about recruiting.

 

[Cat Ballou]

I think Cal was trying to get a read on Giles one last time before the Jarrett Allen visit. Not sure he'd take an Allen commitment if he thought Giles was a possibility - not that they are competing for the same position, but I think we'd have too many bigs if we got both.

 

[WildMoon]

btw, national recruits had Jaylen Brown going to CAL at like 3%....

 

[Cornered Weasel]

Adidas $$$$ made the decision on Wiggins. You're a fool if you think otherwise.

 

[BBUK]

I swear I think we get him. He knows UK is the best decision for him. Think about how sexy this team would/will be......... And btw I have a feeling Ulis could decide to return. But even if he didn't we're still the best.....Again. The only concern I would have is shooting. This years team is what I want to see every year. 2-3 excellent 3pt shooters. (Ulis, Murray, Mulder) If Ulis decides to leave then maybe we could get Alkins.

Ulis
Fox
Monk
Gabriel
Giles

Mathews
Mulder
Willis
SKJ
Humphries

Speaking of shooters whatever happened to that kid that was going I think to Oral Roberts U? Rotnei or something like that? Was supposedly deadly from 3. Just remembered we needed him so badly. (I could look it up but history, especially ancient history isn't my gig.)

 

[SmoothRunner32]

btw, national recruits had Jaylen Brown going to CAL at like 3%....

What was the percentage for Wenyen Gabriel?

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Nothing groundbreaking. Essentially that Coach Cal hasn't given up on Giles -- and won't go down without a fight. Said his pick is still Duke -- but "you never know."

Matt Jones translation: "I'm a lawyer who just happens to be semi-well connected to the program, even though I was a turd who ripped Cal for years while he was at Memphis because I didn't have my facts straight. Now that I have been publically owned for that stupid presupposition, I am covering all my bases by stating that at the end of the day, Cal may very well prove me wrong on Giles. After all, Cal has proven me wrong in the past."

 

[davekersey]

It is closer than you think. Giles loves Cal. Just wait. Not optimistic, but not overly pessimistic. Inside stuff....Monk is in the mix. Could be Monk declares BEFORE Giles. If not, the toss goes to Duke, but it ain't over. Been tryin' to tell ya.

 

[WildMoon]

What was the percentage for Wenyen Gabriel?

good question, let me go check. I don't remember.

I'm looking at the chart now, and it's pretty interesting. I think i'm reading it correctly but at 9/1. They had 0% to UK. He committed at 10/1. Around that time it says UK had like 10%.

Right now it says UK at 43%. But looking at the chart speaks completely different condition.

Sorry for making it into a story.

I found a section when they changed vote. Only Chris Fisher had UK voted prior to 10/1 (9/25). About 6 others changed vote to UK on 10/1.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I can definitely see this happening. It would also make it easier to let down Duke and Coach K because he would be picking his home school and he would not be picking Kentucky, which would piss off K and Duke fans.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but why would Coach K's emotions matter in this at all? He's a pasty, nasal drip of a pampered old man and Harry owes him nothing more than a, "Thanks for your efforts, Coach, but Goodbye and God bless."