Another disgusting ESPN article
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Calipari does it: it's destroying the game.
Coach K does it: it's inventive and "team-oriented" and a clever retooling of the way he's always done things.
Got it.
Coach K does it: it's inventive and "team-oriented" and a clever retooling of the way he's always done things.
Got it.
Amazing, they quote a bunch of ex-Duke players and Jaylan Rose. Also, amazing that K does the same thing as Cal but some how it is the high road version. These folks are like religious zealots.
Maybe he should include some quotes of UK players that come to Lexington every summer because it feels like home.
Maybe he should include some quotes of UK players that come to Lexington every summer because it feels like home.
Want to help stop the K slurpfest? Dont click that link.
I just read that... unreal really. Yes Duke won last year with freshman. Funny the Article doesn't mention Duke being bounced from the round of 64 in 2 of the last four seasons... these people are unreal. Don't get me wrong, great coach and program - silly to deny their results, but the pious dog crap is unreal. Toward the end of the article "Coach K so wisely held his thoughts and his response, giving Coach Cal a pass on how he had coached the end of the Wisconsin game, "I don't comment on other coaches decisions."" (My paraphrase).THIS is one of the many reasons I can't stand Duke - the level of holier than thou (until we can't win without copying your blueprint...), and their players reflect the same attitude on the court. Zero humility. Coach K is so protected by the sports media as well... so propped up and protected. Definitely ready for him to ride off into the sunset. Not because he's made Duke a "juggernaut", but because it's everything that is wrong with college basketball... fake, elitist, entitled, protected... I could rant on. Hoping for a win tonight more than ever after reading that steaming pile of an opinion piece from a piece like Ian O'Connor. Example: on the espn front page: "Duke and Kentucky are different, right? Mike Krzyzewski and John Calipari are opposites, aren't they? Not in this one-and-done world, where Coach K is beating Coach Cal at his own game." Beating Cal at his own game - but yet insisting in the article that Duke copies no one... Ugg - these a'holes are insufferable.
This is why Duke winning that ship sucks so bad. I was crushed for saying is was going to happen. I was laughed at for saying they will make the OAD about coach K from here on out. Only UK fans will know in the future that cal is really the innovative one.
Get some upperclassman shooters cal. If you don't, this will happen again. Coach K is going to have them.
Get some upperclassman shooters cal. If you don't, this will happen again. Coach K is going to have them.
O'Conner clearly is paying homage to K. Hardly surprising, the guy has won over a thousand games and 5 titles. Clearly one of the best coaches ever. He didn't slam Cal in the process:
"Krzyzewski will never match the 10 titles John Wooden won at UCLA in much different times, but he has won more titles than Dean Smith and Roy Williams combined, and he did surpass his mentor, Bob Knight, in every conceivable way, and he did beat Rick Pitino and Jerry Tarkanian in the most memorable games they ever coached.
Before he retires, Krzyzewski has one last titan of the game to conquer. He isn't content just out-coaching the 56-year-old Calipari; he's trying to out-recruit him, too, trying to outhustle the ultimate hustler. If today's recruiting race could be held at Churchill Downs or Pimlico or Belmont Park, Duke and Kentucky would be Secretariat and American Pharoah and the rest of college basketball's contenders would be a fading tangle of barn horses choking on their dust."
First, he acknowledges Cal is a "titan of the game". If that's a slam, let me have another please. Then he says the obvious, but you'd never catch the likes of Forde and other Cal haters to say it: Duke and UK are atop the stage and everyone else is a "barn horse".
"Krzyzewski will never match the 10 titles John Wooden won at UCLA in much different times, but he has won more titles than Dean Smith and Roy Williams combined, and he did surpass his mentor, Bob Knight, in every conceivable way, and he did beat Rick Pitino and Jerry Tarkanian in the most memorable games they ever coached.
Before he retires, Krzyzewski has one last titan of the game to conquer. He isn't content just out-coaching the 56-year-old Calipari; he's trying to out-recruit him, too, trying to outhustle the ultimate hustler. If today's recruiting race could be held at Churchill Downs or Pimlico or Belmont Park, Duke and Kentucky would be Secretariat and American Pharoah and the rest of college basketball's contenders would be a fading tangle of barn horses choking on their dust."
First, he acknowledges Cal is a "titan of the game". If that's a slam, let me have another please. Then he says the obvious, but you'd never catch the likes of Forde and other Cal haters to say it: Duke and UK are atop the stage and everyone else is a "barn horse".
Also noted this, didn't realize Cal had publicized this to such an extent:
"During a September coaches clinic, according to USA Today, Calipari said he didn't replace the Harrisons -- who would miss seven of their last eight shots -- with freshmen Devin Booker and Tyler Ulis because he was "being loyal to those other two who led us to a championship game a year ago, and they deserve to be on that court. That's why I did it. I knew who was playing well and who was struggling. You think I wasn't sitting there watching? But I owed it to [the Harrison twins] to do it."
"During a September coaches clinic, according to USA Today, Calipari said he didn't replace the Harrisons -- who would miss seven of their last eight shots -- with freshmen Devin Booker and Tyler Ulis because he was "being loyal to those other two who led us to a championship game a year ago, and they deserve to be on that court. That's why I did it. I knew who was playing well and who was struggling. You think I wasn't sitting there watching? But I owed it to [the Harrison twins] to do it."
Why do so many posters keep harping on these last 8 games?
They are stretched out over nearly 4 decades.
Some of our worst teams happened to run up against some of Duke's best.
For instance, we have played Duke once since Cal arrived. His NIT team.
We played Duke in Sutton's 13-19 year.
We played Duke when they were loaded defending National Champs, and we had Team Turmoil.
It isn't like this is some conference team we play every year. We have mostly played them in years when we didn't have a reasonable expectation of winning the game.
They are stretched out over nearly 4 decades.
Some of our worst teams happened to run up against some of Duke's best.
For instance, we have played Duke once since Cal arrived. His NIT team.
We played Duke in Sutton's 13-19 year.
We played Duke when they were loaded defending National Champs, and we had Team Turmoil.
It isn't like this is some conference team we play every year. We have mostly played them in years when we didn't have a reasonable expectation of winning the game.
This was a minor controversy when Cal said it in September. He came out the next day and clarified. Ultimately, he went with the twins because he had won with them time and again.
I didn't bother...ESPN slurping up Coach K is as predictable as the sun rising and setting every day
I was getting ready to say yes, it is ridiculous to say that K i s beating out Cal in the OAD world... but yeah, I thought the article actually never did anything like that. While the link title is dumb (K is beating Kentucky at their own game) the actual ARTICLE title is "How Duke and Mike K are winning at Kentucky's one and done game" which is actually giving UK and Cal a lot of credit, while specifically NOT saying that K is BEATING Kentucky or Cal at their own game. They said that K is recruiting like Cal does, and is being successful at it. The author never said he was better than Cal at it... he actually said Cal is a titan and a coach who always puts the kids first, and that Kentucky might be the best at recruiting. There was even this quote: "People say [Krzyzewski] is beating Cal at Cal's game. He's not. He's just figured out a version of Cal's game that works better for him." In fact, it was rather complimentary of Cal.
I really didn't see this as some "OMG K is better than Cal" article... it was CERTAINLY complimentary of K, obviously, which was the point, but I thought it actually AVOIDED that false narrative of K-outdoing-Cal that seemed to become so popular after the last title game, a narrative that wasn't at all supported by ANY of the recruiting of the last ten years.
I really didn't see this as some "OMG K is better than Cal" article... it was CERTAINLY complimentary of K, obviously, which was the point, but I thought it actually AVOIDED that false narrative of K-outdoing-Cal that seemed to become so popular after the last title game, a narrative that wasn't at all supported by ANY of the recruiting of the last ten years.
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Forever they said K was everything right with CBB. And Cal was ruining CBB with the OAD. Funny how now it's totally different
I'm of the opinion that we rely too heavy on young shooters, and that's the edge K is going to have. I think cal is 3 titles to the good right now if we had some specialty shooters that stuck around. Cal is a sharpshooter on the perimeter from being unbeatable. I know he doesn't see it that way though.
With guys like Ulis being on the roster I feel much more confident, and that's what we need. I'm just worried K is going to load down with OAD kids mixed with upperclassman shooters and it's going to be deadly.
I made the comment last year that if K won that championship, they would personally credit him with the innovative OAD "way". That's exactly what they are doing.
Combination of bad timing and bad coaching. Our 88-89 team should have been legendary. Tubby mishandled Team Turmoil. Cal is almost never down, so that was somewhat of a fluke.
We are favored tonight, and should win a close game. I'll be disappointed if we don't, but I see no reason to saddle these guys with the burden of 4 decades of odd results. Poythress should want payback for 3 years ago, and that's about it.
Article title is misleading, and it was 1) about Coach K, and 2) not negative on Cal. Interesting quotes:
Adam Finkelstein, ESPN recruiting analyst: "People say [Krzyzewski] is beating Cal at Cal's game. He's not. He's just figured out a version of Cal's game that works better for him. The sales pitch at Kentucky is more individual based than it is at Duke, though Duke has figured out how to work the individual into the system."
Adam Finkelstein, ESPN recruiting analyst: "People say [Krzyzewski] is beating Cal at Cal's game. He's not. He's just figured out a version of Cal's game that works better for him. The sales pitch at Kentucky is more individual based than it is at Duke, though Duke has figured out how to work the individual into the system."
Yep. And UK never seems to play Duke in years when UK is obviously the better team. Didn't play them from 81-84. Didn't play them in 93, or 95-97. Did in 98, and won. Didn't play them in 03, or 11-12. And yet UK has had to play Duke:
when UK was headed to its only losing season since 1927
when they were the #1 rated defending champ (92)
when they were headed towards a 37-2 season (Dec 98)
when they were the #1 rated defending champ (Dec 2001)
when Cal had his one and only, really, really bad year at UK.
No excuses this year, as this is a time when things are evenly matched, or in UK's favor.
I think the reason people harp on the last 8 is because that's more fuel for ESPN to use to bolster Duke.
Could be wrong but that's why I hate it. They put that shit on the screen and everyone who's casual or a Duke lean goes "see, Duke is the team of the "modern generation"".
Could be wrong but that's why I hate it. They put that shit on the screen and everyone who's casual or a Duke lean goes "see, Duke is the team of the "modern generation"".
Yeah the click bait was worse than the body. But it was still a fluff piece, all the way down to the required Boeheim quotes about how great K is.
I wonder if bragging on K is part of JB's community service?
Have they put it on the screen though? I've seen 3 different posters bring it up here, but haven't noticed it anywhere else.
Naw I don't think so. But they did last time we played. I'm sure they will tonight at some point.
I completely agree with you though. In context it's not what it appears.
^^^ CO-REE MUGHETTI MAYNE
I'm also lovin thes Duke tats that are now everywhere on their team. K is such an opportunist. He's no better than a politician.
At least cal is consistent.
I'm also lovin thes Duke tats that are now everywhere on their team. K is such an opportunist. He's no better than a politician.
At least cal is consistent.
I think that's oversimplifying it, especially since bad nights are still gonna happen even if you're loaded with people who can shoot threes.
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