You Might Want to Sit Down For This One
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No worries pal. Here is the thing, and you are one of our smartest posters so I am surprised you are struggling with this.
Cal was hired to win, a lot. We agree.
Cal has done his job. In my mind anyway (yes I'd love to have at least one more ship and yes i think his coaching may have cost us 2010 and 2015, not his personal beliefs/priorities).
Just because UK hired him doesn't mean he has to change his personal beliefs/priorities.
Now if you think his personal beliefs/priorities have prevented us from a better record AND you can prove it then you have a case.
And you know as well as anyone, recruits are about the coach more than any other factor these days. That is not going to change.
And no matter what your reply is, I will like your post as well.
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I couldn't agree with you more, I'm sure when he said that, the philosophy wass, we get 8 drafted everything else takes care of itself and more than likely a championship. But IMO 38-1 with that much talent is an absolute failure. It was a fun ride but nobody is truly happy with the result, you can say it over and over again to yourself but you aren't happy with it. I don't want another coach but I dont lie to myself either, much less a bunch of people in a public forum such as this.. Bash away
You have considered Uk a failure all but 8 times in 113 years... sad fella. You are miserable because we lost one game..?
No worries pal. Here is the thing, and you are one of our smartest posters so I am surprised you are struggling with this.
Cal was hired to win, a lot. We agree.
Cal has done his job. In my mind anyway (yes I'd love to have at least one more ship and yes i think his coaching may have cost us 2010 and 2015, not his personal beliefs/priorities).
Just because UK hired him doesn't mean he has to change his personal beliefs/priorities.
Now if you think his personal beliefs/priorities have prevented us from a better record AND you can prove it then you have a case.
And you know as well as anyone, recruits are about the coach more than any other factor these days. That is not going to change.
And no matter what your reply is, I will like your post as well.
Don't get me wrong Brian, I really LOVE Cal. i simply wish his stated goals would be slightly altered. It isn't that I think there is a better coach, I just think Cal can be better than he is. I'd like to see him more upset at our lost opportunities and then see him beam like a proud parent on draft day. Just a subtle change in philosophy and perspective. As for recruits, I can't wait till the one and done era is over. It's bad for the players, fans and college basketball in general.
Cal consistently gets us high level recruits. The program is winning at historic levels. The players make good grades and do a lot of volunteer and charity work. Several go on to play at the highest level. A good number obtain their degrees. I haven't heard of off court problems with any of them other than maybe Dodsen. The players conduct themselves well after games in press conferences.
I couldn't tell you much about the teams before the Tubby era, but I can't imagine that they did more for the university or the state.
cal isnt like the typical miserable uk fan. he has a good life. so at the end of a tough day...he can go home happy.
instead of challenging cal to be better...why not challenge yourself first. if you did....maybe you would realize that not everything he says if for you. i know that is a hard concept to grasp because of the self centered nature of uk fans. but believe it our not...there is a bigger picture. sorry you dont like it...better just adapt and deal with it. he isnt changing.
Don't you think it is odd that a person wants another person to be more upset and change their personal philosophies to make someone else happy?
He is one of the top 3 coaches in college ball and UK is one of the top 2 schools right now. So not only do we want him to keep us great, but also change his personality and his personal priorities...?
And with your first 3 posts you are making intelligent Duke shake their heads like we do with our teenage idiots...
Do you know Coach Cal is one of the top motivational speakers in the country. He was speaking at a motivational session for a company on getting the best employee's, make them into the best they can be and your company will have a better chance to succeed and the employee's life will change for the best. Not everything Coach Cal does in his life is for the fans, it's not all about the fans wants and desires every second. Get over it and just enjoy the KIDS who come here to play a game for our entertainment.
I'm conflicted....I agree regarding tradition we do not know what the effect will be. Now here's the opposing view. As an educator and as a person advising young people, his job is to put them first individually but with in the team concept. When cal sends a player to nba who is successful it is a bonus for our school and if cal can win championships that far outweighs any comment he makes about players to the nba
Wow...........get a life. It's basketball played by KIDS for our entertainment and enjoyment.
That is his goal...don't be fooled! Cal knows what he's doing so quit freaking out & hanging on every word he speaks publicly. Cal is a PR genius & knows how to get his message out
Organization that fails to focus on people first are the organization that does not last.
People is what makes an organization successful. This is true way beyond college basketball.
Coach Cal is simply doing what is proven recipe for success in all form of business, and is setting up far better image than "Win title at all cost."
ironically, when you focus on the players, you also win a lot.
People is what makes an organization successful. This is true way beyond college basketball.
Coach Cal is simply doing what is proven recipe for success in all form of business, and is setting up far better image than "Win title at all cost."
ironically, when you focus on the players, you also win a lot.
Duke fan, first post on this site. I get where both sides are coming from - what matters to most fans is wins, so as long as the program is clean, what the coach says isn't that important. On the other hand, appearing to imply (when taken out of context, imo) that wins are less important than your draft record is insensitive at best.
My perspective after the past couple of months is that Cal appears desperate and that's he saying these things not from a position of strength but weakness. Perhaps he's over-compensating after all the recruiting misses the past 6 weeks. Personally I think it's unnecessary to keep saying the same thing - we all know Cal's record at getting guys to the draft - and if anything, may damage the UK brand if he keeps harping on it.
My perspective after the past couple of months is that Cal appears desperate and that's he saying these things not from a position of strength but weakness. Perhaps he's over-compensating after all the recruiting misses the past 6 weeks. Personally I think it's unnecessary to keep saying the same thing - we all know Cal's record at getting guys to the draft - and if anything, may damage the UK brand if he keeps harping on it.
Ah darn, they nuked the little Puke boy. I wanted to ask why he didn't make the power point or top the national news for video production. Didn't measure up I guess.
Now that's what I call a recruiting tool.
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Now that's what I call a recruiting tool.
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And AGAIN, Zaytoven Cat likes a negative post about our program, coach, or team. Really, what is up with that? Every post or like is about something negative. It seems to happen everyday. I'm being serious when I ask you, do you like our program? Do you like anything about the state of our program? That is a serious question.
Not the sharpest knife duke has to offer? I'd worry more about brand impacts of 15 > 2.
Enjoy your six layer cake.
Cal feeds the fans egos more than any other coach in my 38 years. He posts things on social media and different things to keep us up to date. Sutton, pitino, tubby, Gillespie did not embrace the UK job like Cal has. He takes time out to reach out to fans in many ways. He tells his players to embrace the fans. BBM and other events are proof. Cal doesn't care for BBM but he does all the extra stuff for bbn . He sends the players out. He and his son brad would come out and hang with the fans. He hangs around and signs basketballs for hours after a game with the radio show. Cal does a lot for the fans. Before he got here we had not sniffed a final four in over a decade now he has multiple final fours and a title but some fans say it's not good enough with all the talent he has brought in. He is the best recruiter there ever was. The NCAA tourney is a crapshoot. He took us to a tuner up when most had lost hope. We won 38 straight afterwards and since we didn't in the tiltle it's still not good enough for some, I still hate we lost, but we need to appreciate what we have and don't have
STOP please. This is ridiculous and he thought we were going all the way this year. Things went wrong and it sucks but Cal will keep us in contention every year. We lost this year but it is REALLY difficult to win a title with the format of the NCAA tourney. If it were best of 5 or 7 we would win. It's just the nature of the tourney it is extremely difficult to win that many in a row without a loss. I love Cal and hope he coaches here forever. People underestimate how difficult it is to win that many in a row against good teams. 4/6 final fours is amazing I don't remember anyone else in recent memory accomplishing that much. So stop ffs!
Probably lots of folks willing to discuss this here: http://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/you-might-want-to-sit-down-for-this-one.98040/
Getting the best players is generally a great way to win the most games, and if Cal thinks the 'players first' message is the best way to get those players, that's the message he's going to use. You can argue that he should tone down the message in public, or whatever, but even as a Duke fan I find it hard to relate that mindset and losing a basketball game against a really good WI team. The best regular season team rarely wins the championship....
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Perhaps, but his personal philosophies directly intersect with mine. They are not mutually exclusive.
It was directly intended towards a segment of the fans , a nasty throat punch that was wildly effective . He should have said it , I'm glad he said it and I want him to keep saying it . Winning the title would have been great but don't tell me losing hasn't paid big dividends.
First of all, you're actually better now than you were as Zisusdra, so good work.
Second, do you know what damages tradition? Not winning a damn thing for more than a decade. I can assure you, Mike Porter wasn't here for the tradition either. He, like Sam Bowie or John Wall or Richie Farmer, was here because it was the best place for them. Just like every other player at every other college in the country.
Tradition matters to fans. The future matters to recruits.
Second, do you know what damages tradition? Not winning a damn thing for more than a decade. I can assure you, Mike Porter wasn't here for the tradition either. He, like Sam Bowie or John Wall or Richie Farmer, was here because it was the best place for them. Just like every other player at every other college in the country.
Tradition matters to fans. The future matters to recruits.
It's hysterical that so many on here think Calipari "develops" these players. All of the Kentucky players that will be drafted in this year's first round would be NBA-bound regardless of where they went to college. They aren't going to the NBA because of Calipari. They're going there because they are talented. Calipari's ability to develop players is severely overrated. Judging by Kentucky's spring recruiting, it would seem that many of the better high school players are starting to figure this out. They're not "weird" as many folks here have stated. They just realize they can achieve their dream at numerous other schools, and without Calipari's "assistance."
Disagree. I think Cal does a very good job of developing his guys - case in point, KAT. He made KAT focus on what would both help the team and KAT's NBA prospects: Developing a low-post game.
I'm a Duke fan but honestly think developing his players is one thing K doesn't do as well as Cal. Case in point, both Jabari's and Jah's utter lack of defensive improvement over their 7 months. Honestly I wish Cal had been coaching those two, they might not have become defensive stars but they would have been much better at D than they ended up at Duke.
We as fans keep the program going. We buy the gear, we pay BIG money for tickets. If we didn't they would shut the program down.
We would not have a 8M a year coach.
It is about the fans first, not the players. Kentucky and Cal are also the gate way to the NBA, it is not getting players drafted, it is winning titles for the fans FIRST.
We would not have a 8M a year coach.
It is about the fans first, not the players. Kentucky and Cal are also the gate way to the NBA, it is not getting players drafted, it is winning titles for the fans FIRST.
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He's 22-4 in the tourny in his 6 seasons here. He's added banners for 2 FFs, a runner-up and a title. His overall winning percentage at UK is higher than that of the late, great Adolf Rupp. He can say whatever the hell he wants, IMHO. Just keep delivering those results.
So, you think Cal should have a better record since he's been here?
We have so many ridiculous and ignorant fans it makes me sad. No sane person could question what Cal has done at UK. 6 years, 4 final fours, 1 title, another E8, great APR, charity and all the while recruiting great kids. But still we have fans that seem determined to prove they fit the backwards, hillbilly mentality that demands championships. Embarrassing
Would you rather him say the 'right' thing and never get to FF's or say the 'wrong' thing and have FF's be an annual event?
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