The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Never happened it was all a dream...
You probably believed they were all helping cats out of trees too. I posted that ridiculous pic in this thread months ago.
Even if they did push that far, they withdrew on their own. Ukraine couldn't repel them by use of force.
That story just doesn't add up.
Wow. Do you know how incompotent the russian millitary was during the first year of invasion? I guess the VDV also ''withdrew'' from Hostomel airport too? Right? You can still find pics of their bodies laying on their burnt BMD's and laying face down in the rain on google. Someone should've sent them the memo Boris Johnson said retreat.
If they failed because they were so incompetent how'd they get that far?
Better yet - why do they need our help? Someone this incompetent clearly isnt the global threat we're told.
Just like above, the arguments fall apart because it never happened. At least not like that.
The ukraine millitary wasn't prepared for the invasion. They blitzed across eastern Ukraine to Kyiv where most of Ukraine's millitary was at. And got pushed back. Then the offensive later on in the year pushed them further back. I don't know why everything has to be black and white. Russia can be incompotent, while also having more men and armored vehicles, artillery, etc than Ukraine. Which is why they need help with ammo, armored vehicles, and long range missles.
I should have written his generals' incompetence that he didn't know about rather than his personal incompetence. Which leader doesn't know how stupid his underlings are? I'll start with Lincoln.
The regurgitated "arguments" presented here to justify the war are so obtuse and profoundly ignorant of the regio, who these people are and what actually motivates them, that for me as a European they strain credulity, but fully explain how these narratives are crafted so effectively to manufacture consetn for a completely unnecessary war that serves no one's interests except those who can profit from it.
The only rational reason for the war is that we must stop him there before we are forced to stop elsewhere, which is an argument that can only convince the ignorant, the low-information person or the willfully ignorant. It is this war's version of Iraq's phantom WMDs and "we must fight them there, or we'll have to fight them here," when o fcourse the intelligence community understood full well there were no WMDs and invading Iraq created more terrorism than it ever stopped.
Same here: rinse, repeat. The MIC knows full well why this war is actually being fought, which bears no semblance to the "reality" they've concocted through narrative.
Why do you keep parroting that russian talking point? When it's just so false
Great map, I guess.
Again, though, running NATO right up to Russia’s border but especially the possibility of including Ukraine had predictable results.
4/21/24 and another $60 billion has been flushed down the toilet, with $0 for our own border. Absolute betrayal.
Make your bets now: how long before the next massive handover of money stolen from your grandchildren? I would guess that within 4 months they will be calling for another similar amount for Ukraine.
Make your bets now: how long before the next massive handover of money stolen from your grandchildren? I would guess that within 4 months they will be calling for another similar amount for Ukraine.
It's an ignorant "argument;" hard for me to believe one would try to make it with a straight face, or otherwise have such little command or complete disregard of facts.
Multiple reports that when the negotiations started in Turkey that Russia pulled out of the Kyiv area as a good faith gesture. Boris Johnson came in and blew up negotiations. Then Ukraine attacked while Russia thought they were negotiating a peace deal. It's the reason Russia just doesn't trust us at all and they are going to take territory now instead of just making sure people in Donbas weren't being killed for speaking Russian.
I’d imagine we’ll see a blowout spending bill to fund the Ukrainian grift for another decade after the elections. If Trump wins, they may just pass a law to give Zelensky control of the Federal Reserve.
In fairness - we've all seen the BS manipulation of media & facts to justify US military intervention repeatedly since 9/11
IMO its in the best interests of regular citizens to maintain some healthy skepticism when all media start beating the war drums -- esp when they have an amazingly unified and clear-cut narrative going w/accompanying condemnation for doubters
And even if we don't adopt the cynical filter - hopefully ppl pause to consider the diminishing capacity and reputation of our military incursions
i hate that a lot of good ppl suddenly believed THIS conflict was right, well and good for US involvement
Russia has begun its spring conscription campaign, forcibly enlisting Ukrainians from the temporarily occupied territories of Zaporizhzhya Oblast, Zaporizhzhya Oblast governor, Ivan Fedorov, reported on Telegram on April 25.
This move follows a decree from Russian President Vladimir Putin mandating the conscription of youth within Russia, with the occupied Ukrainian territories receiving no exemption.
Yevhen Balytskyi, the Moscow-appointed 'leader' of Zaporizhzhya Oblast, initiated the creation of "enlistment offices" in mid-April to facilitate this process. "Involving residents from occupied territories for service in the occupying country's army is a violation of international law," stated Fedorov, highlighting the legal breaches involved.
Russian authorities previously claimed they would not conscript draftees from the occupied territories for at least five years.
Another blow for the just settle with Russia, they'll agree totally crowd.
No one in the world of international politics or military intelligence thinks Russia will do anything other than use a pause to arm up and go again.
The world basically gave them Crimea and eastern Ukraine without a fight in 2014 (thanks Obama) and it lead directly to Russian "modernization" and the 2022 invasion.
Should have stopped Putin then. Finally have a platform to stop him now.
This move follows a decree from Russian President Vladimir Putin mandating the conscription of youth within Russia, with the occupied Ukrainian territories receiving no exemption.
Yevhen Balytskyi, the Moscow-appointed 'leader' of Zaporizhzhya Oblast, initiated the creation of "enlistment offices" in mid-April to facilitate this process. "Involving residents from occupied territories for service in the occupying country's army is a violation of international law," stated Fedorov, highlighting the legal breaches involved.
Russian authorities previously claimed they would not conscript draftees from the occupied territories for at least five years.
Another blow for the just settle with Russia, they'll agree totally crowd.
No one in the world of international politics or military intelligence thinks Russia will do anything other than use a pause to arm up and go again.
The world basically gave them Crimea and eastern Ukraine without a fight in 2014 (thanks Obama) and it lead directly to Russian "modernization" and the 2022 invasion.
Should have stopped Putin then. Finally have a platform to stop him now.
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The paradigm has shifted to where moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats have more in common with each other than they do with the non-moderates in their respective parties, who are both more focused on waging culture battles than running government.
We have had the same two political parties for quite a while, now... 5 times in our country's past a third party has emerged and replaced one of the existing two... that hasn't happened in almost 150 years... maybe it is time.
We have had the same two political parties for quite a while, now... 5 times in our country's past a third party has emerged and replaced one of the existing two... that hasn't happened in almost 150 years... maybe it is time.
Yep. They've already been sent by reports. Losses on the front have moved up that shipment. They are going to hit the Crimean bridge and cities in Russia in hopes to force a negotiation.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical. Pretending you know the total truth of the matter is the problem.
Ukraine Sidelines Abrams Tanks After Russian Drone Attacks – AP | The Libertarian Institute
The Ukrainian military has opted to withdraw its US-supplied M1 Abrams main battle tanks from the front lines due to the threat posed by Russian drones, American officials told the Associated Press.
libertarianinstitute.org
What’s Really Behind Poland’s Interest In Deporting Ukrainian Draft-Dodgers?
No amount of draft refugee meat that Poland or whoever else throws into the grinder will change the conflict’s military-strategic dynamics. Polish Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz expressed support in an interview for Ukraine’s latest conscription-related policy
korybko.substack.com
