Probably gonna regret starting this thread

[jamo0001]

...but has anybody watched the new Frontline? The topic is gender reassignment in minors (and even pre-pubescents). Pretty scary stuff for numerous reasons.

Particularly interested in what parents on the Paddock (lol) would do if their kids went down this road.

 

[BlueRaider22]

I let you know what I would do if I ever have a child that is on this path. In other words I don't have a clue what I would do.

 

[akers65]

This should be interesting.

No I haven't watched it.
As for my kids, I wouldn't let them have any type of selective surgery until they are adults. Once they are on their own then they have the right to live and do as they see fit. Would I support them in a reassessment surgery ? Can't say what I would do, That's a "have to be there" decision.

 

[jamo0001]

This should be interesting.

No I haven't watched it.
As for my kids, I wouldn't let them have any type of selective surgery until they are adults. Once they are on their own then they have the right to live and do as they see fit. Would I support them in a reassessment surgery ? Can't say what I would do, That's a "have to be there" decision.

i probably fall in that same camp with you, but the conundrum the documentary is centering on is how the rates of suicide and other issues absolutely skyrocket as puberty hits. apparently the current (not research-based) strategy is to give the kids puberty "blocking" drugs for a couple years to see if they grow out of the transgender sensations**.

Example: 11yr old biological girl spends ages 2-11 living as a boy because she's adamant that she's actually a boy. Parent takes her to the pediatrician, psychologist, etc and is told that 90% of kids outgrow this sensation and progress through puberty normally. The other 10% don't outgrow it and end up being highly prone to suicide, domestic violence, poverty, etc. You're told that the risks of those adverse outcomes is greatly reduced if the child goes through hormonal reassignment before puberty rather than enduring the psychological distress of puberty, high school, etc. As she turns 12 and starts to develop breasts, she turns frankly suicidal and antidepressant drugs, etc. aren't making any difference. What does the parent do?

The documentary is also really emphasizing how there's next to no research on any of this stuff and what the proper interventions/preventions would be. Also, while many of the drugs have been on the market for years, they've never been studied for this particular use.

**full disclosure that I know nothing about this shit and am probably using the terms incorrectly

 

[warrior-cat]

Have not seen it but, children should be raised by their parents and when schools teach something that is contrary to what their parents believe, it is the responsibilty of the parent to explain to the child that there are different opinions and why. Then the child will eventually make their own decisions as they become adults.

Sorry folks kind of went off track with this. One or two too many last night and did not fully comprehend the post. In retrospect, I meant to say that I would not allow my child to know about this until I thought she was ready to understand and make that decision for herself. Would still oppose it no matter what.

 

[MegaBlue05]

I would support their decision, but I would prefer they not have any surgeries until they were adults to make absolutely sure that's what they'd want to do. (I definitely wouldn't try conversion therapy.)

Because my only belief is "have fun and don't hurt anyone with your actions," I don't think I'd object to any other aspect.

 

[funKYcat75]

That seems like the top of the list of "you have no idea what to do until it happens" kind of things.

I don't think any prepubescent kid really know "who they are" so you'd have to think reassignment would be a no-no. You also don't want your kid cutting themselves and stuff because they're confused.

That's probably one of the toughest questions that have been brought up on the Paddock and it's much too serious for my liking. Someone make a Mr(s). Garrison joke, quick.

 

[jamo0001]

That seems like the top of the list of "you have no idea what to do until it happens" kind of things.

I don't think any prepubescent kid really know "who they are" so you'd have to think reassignment would be a no-no. You also don't want your kid cutting themselves and stuff because they're confused.

That's probably one of the toughest questions that have been brought up on the Paddock and it's much too serious for my liking. Someone make a Mr(s). Garrison joke, quick.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Have not seen it but, children should be raised by their parents and when schools teach something that is contrary to what their parents believe, it is the responsibilty of the parent to explain to the child that there are different opinions and why. Then the child will eventually make their own decisions as they become adults.

Not sure what the schools have to say about it but parents are not always right.
IMO the child should not go through any reassignment till the become an adult and make that decision.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

 

[VT/UK Rondo]

I blame it on all of the chemicals they shoot into livestock these days.

 

[Kooky Kats]

You gotta roll the dice and hope the kid gets through it naturally. Make sure kid is loved and respected and allowed to be happy in whatever path its biology takes himmer.

The suicide/homeless scare speak is like the 4-hr boner legal speak of a Cialis commercial. They are trying to normalize the medical Frankensteining of people.

 

[TommyDevito]

No, absolutely not. This is ridiculous. You are born a certain sex. Its biological.

 

[TommyDevito]

You gotta roll the dice and hope the kid gets through it naturally. Make sure kid is loved and respected and allowed to be happy in whatever path its biology takes himmer.

The suicide/homeless scare speak is like the 4-hr boner legal speak of a Cialis commercial. They are trying to normalize the medical Frankensteining of people.

THIS

 

[Willy4UK]

Jamo, I'm not sure about kids, but once I get my clinical licensure I am going to get a certification in psychotherapy for geriatric transgender here in Orlando. My supervisor told me of a recent case where a 90 yr old black man who is a Deacon in a church wanted to get a sex change. The problem is that he is also in the early stages of Alz so he's not getting the surgery done. However, for his upcoming birthday he is going to dress like a woman in front of his whole family. That's gotta take some balls. Pun intended.

The money in LGBTQ psychotherapy is going to make me some bank son.

 

[UKGrad93]

Haven't watched the show. No clue what I would do. Thankful that I don't have to make that decision.

 

[warrior-cat]

Not sure what the schools have to say about it but parents are not always right.
IMO the child should not go through any reassignment till the become an adult and make that decision.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

Schools are becoming more and more liberal allowing much more of this type of information to get to kids at a younger age. Maybe not this stuff yet but I believe we are headed that way. My overall point is that parents whether you think they are right or wrong still should (if they wish) be able to shield their kids form this stuff until adulthood. Agree with the making the decision when adults. But, it is subjective to say parents are not always right. Being right is a matter of perspective to me.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I think the answer is pretty easy. Don't allow the gender reassignment banking on the fact that the child will fall into the far major majority and become "normalized" through puberty. In case they are in the 10% that don't, stay supportive, make sure you communicate with them FREQUENTLY and pretty much all the time. Be supportive and understanding, and hope they are able to cope well enough that they can get the reassignment surgery as an adult.

Voila. There you go guys!


Now if it was my child? No clue. Let's just hope I don't have to cross that bridge.

 

[jamo0001]

The suicide/homeless scare speak is like the 4-hr boner legal speak of a Cialis commercial. They are trying to normalize the medical Frankensteining of people.

That's part of the issue though: there just isn't data on this stuff yet. I pulled the 90/10 split out of my arse just for the hypothetical, but I'm fairly certain the docs on the show were having to tell the parents "We think a large amount of kids outgrow this, so let's just give them puberty-delaying drugs in case your kid will be one of the ones who outgrows it. That being said, I don't know what the odds are that they will turn out a certain way because there just isn't enough research on it." Or it was something to that effect.

 

[Mashburned]

IMHO, children gay as hell, so might as well.

 

[crazyqx83]

Not sure what the schools have to say about it but parents are not always right.
IMO the child should not go through any reassignment till the become an adult and make that decision.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

Parents make the decisions for their kids, not schools.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Parents make the decisions for their kids, not schools.

It sucks either way.

 

[starchief5]

i probably fall in that same camp with you, but the conundrum the documentary is centering on is how the rates of suicide and other issues absolutely skyrocket as puberty hits. apparently the current (not research-based) strategy is to give the kids puberty "blocking" drugs for a couple years to see if they grow out of the transgender sensations**.

Example: 11yr old biological girl spends ages 2-11 living as a boy because she's adamant that she's actually a boy. Parent takes her to the pediatrician, psychologist, etc and is told that 90% of kids outgrow this sensation and progress through puberty normally. The other 10% don't outgrow it and end up being highly prone to suicide, domestic violence, poverty, etc. You're told that the risks of those adverse outcomes is greatly reduced if the child goes through hormonal reassignment before puberty rather than enduring the psychological distress of puberty, high school, etc. As she turns 12 and starts to develop breasts, she turns frankly suicidal and antidepressant drugs, etc. aren't making any difference. What does the parent do?

The documentary is also really emphasizing how there's next to no research on any of this stuff and what the proper interventions/preventions would be. Also, while many of the drugs have been on the market for years, they've never been studied for this particular use.

**full disclosure that I know nothing about this shit and am probably using the terms incorrectly

"**full disclosure that I know nothing about this shit ..."

This disclaimer should be the preface on about 75% of all Paddock posts.