Why do States even have Governments now?
Now that's a damn good question.
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Why do States even have Governments now?
Marriage is a Constitutional right now according to the Supreme Court, if I was a polygamist I would be heading down to the court house in Utah/Arizona and make it all legal now.
Cosby certainly predicted that one
1. You're starting from the premise that marriage is a basic human right. Which is dumb. No one is being denied anything.
1. You probably aren't going to find many people here who give a shit one way or the other about gay marriage per se. You'll find more people who think the fed gov should get out of marriage entirely. And if gay marriage is allowed by reason of the Constitution, you cannot logically prevent other groups from getting married. Incest, polygamy, etc. So the federal government should stop discriminating against unmarried people (or married people in some case) and just back out of the marriage business altogether.
Polling indicated that 80% of Americans opposed Citizens United. Just lay back and take it.When California votes against gay marriage in 2008 only to have their opinion thrown out, that spoke volumes.
Polling indicated that 80% of Americans opposed Citizens United. Just lay back and take it.
2. You probably aren't going to find many people here who give a shit one way or the other about gay marriage per se. You'll find more people who think the fed gov should get out of marriage entirely. And if gay marriage is allowed by reason of the Constitution, you cannot logically prevent other groups from getting married. Incest, polygamy, etc. So the federal government should stop discriminating against unmarried people (or married people in some case) and just back out of the marriage business altogether.
You KNOW this is coming.Also, what happens when a church refuses to marry two homosexuals? Does the church's tax exempt status get threatened?
Good response (no sarcasm). However, I think you can still logically stop incestuous marriage between close relatives given the easy-to-prove risk of birth defects. But, I absolutely agree that this opens a logical argument for polygamy between consenting adults.
Honestly, what would have been the vote in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia to integrate schools in the 1960's??? Civil rights should never be put on a ballot. Gay marriage became a civil rights issue when local, state and the federal govt intermingle tax, property and privacy laws and marriage status.When California votes against gay marriage in 2008 only to have their opinion thrown out, that spoke volumes.
Honestly, what would have been the vote in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia to integrate schools in the 1960's??? Civil rights should never be put on a ballot. Gay marriage became a civil rights issue when local, state and the federal govt intermingle tax, property and privacy laws and marriage status.
Roberts is talking out of both sides of his ass and has been since he was appointed. His dissent today is truly hilarious given his actions / votes over the last few years, most recently yesterday's.
While I respect gay people's desire to be married and do support it, I've also always agreed with Cosby that the government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all.
No matter what the pseudo-lawyer Cosby says, the state's don't have the authority to override the Constitution of the United States. I'll admit that gay marriage is not something I have lost any sleep over, but I recall when Tennessee put their proposed law on the ballet banning gay marriage several years ago. The entire text of the bill was on the ballet for you to read when you voted. I started reading it and the verbiage was freighting. It referred to a certain class of people that "shall not have the right" to do this or that. I thought hell that flys in the face of the US Constitution that protects individual freedoms and liberties as well as the Declaration of Independence's reference to the god given inalienable rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Bans on gay marriage were attempts by governments to impose religious or moral values on the populace as a whole. I said immediately after the Tennessee law was passed that this law and all the others would one day be overturned by the Supremes on Constitutional grounds. That day is today.
Do you leftists not use the government to try and push your ideas and values on others? Your side is for an "anything goes" mentality unless it is anyone or anything who disagrees with your ideology. You have what you think is "right" as do others. You get upset at someone apparently "promoting religious values" but have no issue of stripping away their rights and promoting a system of "our way or the highway" and force an ideology on others, which is ironic considering that is apparently what you guys hated so much.
Do you leftists not use the government to try and push your ideas and values on others? Your side is for an "anything goes" mentality unless it is anyone or anything who disagrees with your ideology. You have what you think is "right" as do others. You get upset at someone apparently "promoting religious values" but have no issue of stripping away their rights and promoting a system of "our way or the highway" and force an ideology on others, which is ironic considering that is apparently what you guys hated so much.
..... the state's don't have the authority to override the Constitution of the United States.
Good response (no sarcasm). However, I think you can still logically stop incestuous marriage between close relatives given the easy-to-prove risk of birth defects. But, I absolutely agree that this opens a logical argument for polygamy between consenting adults.
You KNOW this is coming.
If the IRS can target conservatives its no stretch to say that churches are next.
You must believe that the preference is a choice...I do not.Aw yes. The ridiculous comparison of one's skin and the atrocities they endured compared to a group who prefers to have sex with the same gender. You're right. They're completely the same.
You must believe that the preference is a choice...I do not.
Isn't that a basic tenet of liberalism?The BS that you're a slave to desires as justification to do whatever you want is ridiculous.
Is the government forcing you into a gay marriage?
How does gay marriage affect you?
How does gay marriage strip you of any of your rights???
Why should anyone else be bound by your religious values? Should Buddhist, Muslims, Atheist, Hindu's all be required to adhere to your values???
I just cannot understand anyone claiming that gay marriage infringes upon their personal rights in any way.
The BS that you're a slave to desires as justification to do whatever you want is ridiculous.
You know they might never allow a brother and a sister to marry because of the DNA risk to their children. Unfortunately Cos, right now, I think the courts would deny two brothers (or two sisters) the right to get married based on a general broad brushed approach to incest marriage. It took a long time for the courts to come around to legalizing Gay Marriage.Those of you who lament this lack of fairness to same-sex incestuous couples need to be patient, you're time will come.So two brothers can't get married because their babies might be retards. Two unrelated guys' babies have a statistically better chance of not being retards so they can get married. Got it.
Please go on some more about these "thousands of lawsuits" and "in schools with our kids"...What, are you afraid that the schools won't teach your kids to hate the queers? Tell me how are kids are in danger?Really? Because there are thousands of lawsuits where gays have already infringed upon Christian rights.
And don't act like it doesn't affect us especially in schools with our kids and not to mention the total disregard for our Constitution this week. You have no idea what this has opened us up to.
Please go on some more about these "thousands of lawsuits" and "in schools with our kids"...What, are you afraid that the schools won't teach your kids to hate the queers? Tell me how are kids are in danger?
So can't get married because of possible birth defects. OK.
How are two gay guys or gay women going to have a child? Assuming biological children is a reason to fall on one side of the marriage issue or the other.