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How will they rule ??!

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    Votes: 41 82.0%
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Honest question... If this country was divided into liberals and conservatives with each having their own side, which one would prosper and survive?

I think that is interesting and telling if we want to approach that topic.

Conservatives are more focused on individual accomplishment and achievement so more people would prosper on their side, whereas liberals are more focused on the well-being of the community as a whole so more people would survive under liberals.

Ideally you take some of the best ideas and approaches from both persuasions and come up with the optimal situation. Hopefully that's what we, as a national continue to try and do.
 
Highroller you have to keep in mind that deeee is talking about yearly deficit. He likes to benchmark against the lowpoint of the recession and the period where a shitload of stimulus, aka credit card cash advance, was on the books. Makes good "optics". It would be like a republican crowing that Bush grew the economy after the pullback post-9/11. At the core of every single word he types is complete disingeousness.

What he won't talk about is what the CBO is forecasting for it to start increasing again in a couple of years. Just like he won't talk about the UCA cadillac taxes, just like he tried to spin the sequestration as Obama spending cuts...etc etc etc.

Edit: looks like deeee removed his stupid graph
 
I honestly don't even know what the hell these people are rioting about anymore. Did a black guy get killed by the cops or something again? Hopefully everyone in this video meets that fate.



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Highroller you have to keep in mind that deeee is talking about yearly deficit. He likes to benchmark against the lowpoint of the recession and the period where a shitload of stimulus, aka credit card cash advance, was on the books. Makes good "optics". It would be like a republican crowing that Bush grew the economy after the pullback post-9/11. At the core of every single word he types is complete disingeousness.

What he won't talk about is what the CBO is forecasting for it to start increasing again in a couple of years. Just like he won't talk about the UCA cadillac taxes, just like he tried to spin the sequestration as Obama spending cuts...etc etc etc.

Edit: looks like deeee removed his stupid graph

He made a comment about the deficit, I responded with data about the deficit, not about the stimulus, not about forecasts, but the historical deficit under the current administration. if you and he do not understand what the definition of the deficit is (not the debt) then that's not my problem.

The Budget Control Act of 2011 which resulted in specifying $917 Billion in spending cuts, was a negotiated deal between both parties in congress and signed into law by this President. I'm sorry that this does not fit with your "tax and spend" agenda, but it's still a fact.

Now that the ignore feature is gone, I've been reading your posts in the hope that you might actually make an intelligible point or be correct about something but, well somethings just never change. :confused:
 
He made a comment about the deficit, I responded with data about the deficit, not about the stimulus, not about forecasts, but the historical deficit under the current administration. if you and he do not understand what the definition of the deficit is (not the debt) then that's not my problem.

The Budget Control Act of 2011 which resulted in specifying $917 Billion in spending cuts, was a negotiated deal between both parties in congress and signed into law by this President. I'm sorry that this does not fit with your "tax and spend" agenda, but it's still a fact.

Now that the ignore feature is gone, I've been reading your posts in the hope that you might actually make an intelligible point or be correct about something but, well somethings just never change. :confused:

And I posted exact quotes from the admin that specifically said they wanted it canceled. Good lord. You are giving him credit for something:

-he lied about being their idea
-was only interested in it due to the debt ceiling
-immediately sold scare tactics that it would kill the economy
-and now wants it repealed

I also listed the 23 new tax revenues he wants for the 2016 budget and the $4t estimate by the CBO. I guess there a bunch of people in on my agenda.

This fiscal conservative argument of yours is just moronic.
 
UCA was not a tax increase? As Gruber best described, they backloaded it so they would be out of office before most of those taxes hit. You wanna address the dozen or so new taxes he proposed in his 2016 budget?

From The Hill in Jan 2015: TOMORROW STARTS TONIGHT: BUH-BYE SEQUESTER? "President Obama said Thursday that he's asking Congress to fully reverse the automatic spending cuts known as sequestration in his annual budget proposal, set to be released next week. The sequestration cuts, triggered in 2013 when lawmakers were unable to strike an overall budget deal, have slashed federal military and domestic budgets. The White House argues that the cuts have held back economic growth and hurt the middle class.

Repost: The Hill is in on my agenda.... Or maybe they see things only through their prism. (Insert favorite deeee coping mechanism when he is deadass wrong)
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He made a comment about the deficit, I responded with data about the deficit, not about the stimulus, not about forecasts, but the historical deficit under the current administration. if you and he do not understand what the definition of the deficit is (not the debt) then that's not my problem.

The Budget Control Act of 2011 which resulted in specifying $917 Billion in spending cuts, was a negotiated deal between both parties in congress and signed into law by this President. I'm sorry that this does not fit with your "tax and spend" agenda, but it's still a fact.

Now that the ignore feature is gone, I've been reading your posts in the hope that you might actually make an intelligible point or be correct about something but, well somethings just never change. :confused:
DEEE will not believe anything that shines a bad light on Obama. I told him that my take home pay went down and it did a few years ago. I do not understand tax codes or anything like that but, I know it happened. Also, my retirement take home went down as well because of Obamacare. Now Deee can post all day long about that this could not have happened but the fact remains it did. Also, him and a few others asserted that no ones healthcare went up because of Obamacare when many in this nation have said that there providers even said that was the reason. Obama is a tax and spend president pure and simple. He has tried and succeeded in some areas to tax what ever he can get away with.
 
I told him that my take home pay went down and it did a few years ago. I do not understand tax codes or anything like that but, I know it happened.

I like that warrior-cat is so open about arguing from a position of ignorance. Reminds me of the "it snowed outside so global warming is fake" crowd.
 
Ted Cruz doesn't have a problem with obamacare he signed up after announcing his short lived run for the presidency
 
I like that warrior-cat is so open about arguing from a position of ignorance. Reminds me of the "it snowed outside so global warming is fake" crowd.
A position of reality, not what I am being told. Ignorance is from people like you who believe what this government has been telling them. You and a few like you are telling people that what is happening to them is not really happening because this administration told you that that is not the case. You have to vote it in to see what is in it, I did not know about this until I heard it on the news X (pick a number), the e-mails were lost during a crash of the system, we do not deal with terrorist except whe it might benefit us politically. Are you really this stupid or are you sympathetic to a socialistic type rule? What has happened to me really happened during Obama's time.
 
I honestly don't even know what the hell these people are rioting about anymore. Did a black guy get killed by the cops or something again? Hopefully everyone in this video meets that fate.



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Mainly high school kids. Where the hell are their parents? Baltimore, black mayor, black police chief, black POTUS, black AG, and yet they still riot, loot, and burn property,assault police, reporters,etc. What they want is beyond me. I know how to solve all this rioting and looting. Declare marshal law, and all looters can legally be shot on sight, that will stop it.
 
I can't argue with dee. It's not healthy lol

This rioting is getting to be common. It's not even exciting anymore. It's just plain sad. Our potus should be saying more about this crap but chooses not to. Could have done more for the African American community than any other person in history but didn't and made race relations worse. Unbelievable
 
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I can't argue with dee. It's not healthy lol

This rioting is getting to be common. It's not even exciting anymore. It's just plain sad. Our potus should be saying more about this crap but chooses not to. Could have done more for the African American community than any other person in history but didn't and made race relations worse. Unbelievable

It's because he hates whites and has been brought up to hate the west and whites. You don't go to Jeremiah Wright's church for twenty years and not share his hatred of white people.
 
Apparently Dick Morris is spilling on Hillary in a few different interviews. I think the MSM will probably sweep it under the rug as usual; but he may be the one person who can make some things stick.

Assuming he doesn't have some tragic accident that tends to happen when people have damaging info on the Clintons.
 
Dick Morris should STFU. Best plan for GOP with Hillary is to keep quiet and allow her to self immolate. Any GOP politicians or nationally known GOP commentators piling on only serves to lessen the pressure, to play into her patented scandal excuse of Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

There are thankfully a few journalists who still care about their profession who are digging and asking uncomfortable questions about Hillary, what her actual accomplishments are, the foundation slush fund her & Bill have used to live like an Emperor & Empress. And there is the undercurrent of extreme Progressive Libs who cant stand Hillary and are working to get someone anyone else to be the nominee in her place, especially their dream gal PokahontWarren.
 
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Apparently Dick Morris is spilling on Hillary in a few different interviews. I think the MSM will probably sweep it under the rug as usual; but he may be the one person who can make some things stick.

Assuming he doesn't have some tragic accident that tends to happen when people have damaging info on the Clintons.
Yeah, talk to the families of the 8 or so who died in Arkansas when he was govenor.
 
Dick Morris should STFU. Best plan for GOP with Hillary is to keep quiet and allow her to self immolate. Any GOP politicians or nationally known GOP commentators piling on only serves to lessen the pressure, to play into her patented scandal excuse of Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

There are thankfully a few journalists who still care about their profession who are digging and asking uncomfortable questions about Hillary, what her actual accomplishments are, the foundation slush fund her & Bill have used to live like an Emperor & Empress. And there is the undercurrent of extreme Progressive Libs who cant stand Hillary and are working to get someone anyone else to be the nominee in her place, especially their dream gal PokahontWarren.

Agreed; the GOP needs to leave Hillary alone and let her become the nominee.

Her flaws are there and there's plenty of time for her to be exposed.
 
. Now Deee can post all day long about that this could not have happened but the fact remains it did. Also, him and a few others asserted that no ones healthcare went up because of Obamacare when many in this nation have said that there providers even said that was the reason. .

Do you even bother to read what I post? I not only acknowledge the the cost of health care and health care insurance has increased but I posted a chart that illustrates the increases. The point being the rate of increases are no greater now than before the ACA was passed and are most entirely due to the accelerating cost of medical services, drugs and other products.

Everyone's insurance is going up just like it has for the last 3 decades - get over it.
 
Agreed; the GOP needs to leave Hillary alone and let her become the nominee.

Her flaws are there and there's plenty of time for her to be exposed.

The problem isn't her lack of flaws, by any stretch. Some major ones have been on full display. The problem is the lack of concern by the MSM and therefore the general public.

The Clintons are routinely involved in scandals that would quickly end the careers of other politicians. Lying under oath, Whitewater, Benghazi, clandestine email activity, accepting improper payments from foreign heads of state - just to name a few. But when it comes to them, somehow none of it matters. It never sticks.

I doubt Dick Morris can change that. But I think he has the best chance, given his history with them.
 
Do you even bother to read what I post? I not only acknowledge the the cost of health care and health care insurance has increased but I posted a chart that illustrates the increases. The point being the rate of increases are no greater now than before the ACA was passed and are most entirely due to the accelerating cost of medical services, drugs and other products.

Everyone's insurance is going up just like it has for the last 3 decades - get over it.
Not talking about recent postings. Talking about When the ACA first got voted in and its impact was felt shortly there after. But, to get to the point of increased Health insurance, I was saying that it did not increase for me ever until Obamacare and my wife's increase jumped more than $600.00 dollars more a month almost overnight. We had never seen an increase like that ever in the past.
 
I think we can all agree to disagree. Maybe ross Perot will run again. He was so helpful back in 92
 
It's because he hates whites and has been brought up to hate the west and whites. You don't go to Jeremiah Wright's church for twenty years and not share his hatred of white people.

This quite frankly might be the most ignorant, backwoods, asinine, uneducated post I've ever seen. You want to complain about our country that's fine. I hope to see the day when race doesn't matter but it won't happen in my lifetime, I'm 33. What part of deliverance are you from and who is your favorite nascar driver? In case you didn't realize Clayton bixby obamas mom is white lol.
 
This quite frankly might be the most ignorant, backwoods, asinine, uneducated post I've ever seen. You want to complain about our country that's fine. I hope to see the day when race doesn't matter but it won't happen in my lifetime, I'm 33. What part of deliverance are you from and who is your favorite nascar driver? In case you didn't realize Clayton bixby obamas mom is white lol.
Why is it ok to reference Nascar in the same sentence where you refer to inbred white trash (Deliverance) types, when other racial slanges are forbidden. No Nascar enthusiast here but, it seems people use Nascar to reference white redneck hillbilly inbreds.Is this not racial as well?
 
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This quite frankly might be the most ignorant, backwoods, asinine, uneducated post I've ever seen. You want to complain about our country that's fine. I hope to see the day when race doesn't matter but it won't happen in my lifetime, I'm 33. What part of deliverance are you from and who is your favorite nascar driver? In case you didn't realize Clayton bixby obamas mom is white lol.

You have the audacity to cry about racism and ignorance and then use a stereotype that I must live in the backwoods and watch Nascar? Hypocrite.

Seriously, GFY Wall. I have lived all over this country and currently live in a huge liberal hotbed but you know what else I have done? Research. You know who I don't rely on for forming my opinion for me? The media. You know why I think Obama is a radical Marxist? Because he is. I'd love to see your ridiculous theatrics if a Republican was brought up and surrounded by as many radicals anti/America and anti/white people as Obama has been.

Jeremiah Wright is a racist, you know that right? This guy claims the government created AIDS to kill off colored people, claimed we reap what we sew with 9/11, has bashed white people a ridiculous amount of times, Obama spent 20 years in this church and most certainly shares the same opinion. Then you have other radicals like Bill Ayers (who Obama claims to barely know which is hilarious), his professor that was anti Israel to show you who has had his ear. His entire upbringing was from anti-American people. His father he admired was anti-American and his step-father was Muslim with a particular view of the west as well. That's the truth.

How much of Marxism/Leninism have you read? Then tell me Obama has not favored that. Seriously, I love that you cry racism and think the Obamas have not in any way caused racial division.
 
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This quite frankly might be the most ignorant, backwoods, asinine, uneducated post I've ever seen. You want to complain about our country that's fine. I hope to see the day when race doesn't matter but it won't happen in my lifetime, I'm 33. What part of deliverance are you from and who is your favorite nascar driver? In case you didn't realize Clayton bixby obamas mom is white lol.

Maybe you should tell Obama that his mom is white because he doesn't seem to identify with that side at all. He admired his POS dad who was anti-American. Plus, his step-father was Muslim.
Why is it ok to reference Nascar in the same sentence where you refer to inbred white trash (Deliverance) types, when other racial slanges are forbidden. No Nascar enthusiast here but, it seems people use Nascar to reference white redneck hillbilly inbreds.Is this not racial as well?

Congrats. You just pointed out of the long list of examples of hypocritical libs. Cry racism yet use racial slurs and stereotypes. The comical thing is that they don't even realize it.
 
You completely missed the whole point. Like your original comment, you know Obama hates the west(lol) and all whites. You basically said the sterotypical conservative response. In return, I see your ignorance, and raised you the stereotype that nascar+deliverance=white trash. The point being you lumped everyone together as being hated, so in return I did the same thing like you being sterotypical. That was part of the joke. As for the worst post ever you wouldn't have the audacity to post that opinion on your fb, Instagram, or say it to anyone in person. Here's an idea take that go glen beck(as long as he's not crying) or rush(as long as he's not popping Oxys) and I'm sure they will agree. If papa bear read that he would have to go change his pants. Oh and for living in the "liberal hotbed" move out of
San Francisco then. You will be welcomed in other states that allow gay marriage. You deserve equal rights.
 
I love the myopic focus on premium when it comes to Obamacare. Why is no one talking about the increase in already really high deductibles? Given the right deductible, I will insure anyone against anything, personally, with no premium payment whatsoever.
 
If Bill Clinton was such a great president, why was he basically blacklisted from Gore's campaign? The idea that Clinton was something great is the most revisionist history thing I have ever seen. If he's so great, answer me this:

- Is NAFTA a good thing?
- Do you like what is going on with Russia right now?
- How do you feel about the housing crisis?

All of these things were either done by Clinton or enabled by Clinton's policies? Regarding the economy, Clinton had nothing to do with the tech boom. And don't "well GWB did this" me, because he sucked too.

NAFTA was initiated by Bush Sr and passed in the House & Senate by more Republicans than Democrats.
What does Russia today have to do with Russia 20+ years ago and how does Clinton have anything to do with it?
Despite Republicans best efforts to blame someone else, they share equal blame as Democrats, perhaps more as they love to get rid of regulations, they cheer for it actually.

Gore distancing himself from Clinton was a huge miscalculation and cost him the election.

If Clinton had nothing to do with the economic boom of the 90s then Obama has nothing to do with the current state of the economy. Fact is that by the end of Clinton's term their was a budget surplus, which was quickly squandered by GW with his tax cuts and Medicare handouts. Had Gore won this country would be in much better shape than it is now. GW destroyed this country, just tipped it over past the point of no return. Nothing Obama or any future President can do to contain the mess that he created in this country and the Middle East. They're all just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
NAFTA was initiated by Bush Sr and passed in the House & Senate by more Republicans than Democrats.
What does Russia today have to do with Russia 20+ years ago and how does Clinton have anything to do with it?
Despite Republicans best efforts to blame someone else, they share equal blame as Democrats, perhaps more as they love to get rid of regulations, they cheer for it actually.

Gore distancing himself from Clinton was a huge miscalculation and cost him the election.

If Clinton had nothing to do with the economic boom of the 90s then Obama has nothing to do with the current state of the economy. Fact is that by the end of Clinton's term their was a budget surplus, which was quickly squandered by GW with his tax cuts and Medicare handouts. Had Gore won this country would be in much better shape than it is now. GW destroyed this country, just tipped it over past the point of no return. Nothing Obama or any future President can do to contain the mess that he created in this country and the Middle East. They're all just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Uh oh! How dare you use W's name in vein. Plus your post made since which will piss some people off. I mentioned it before with gore distancing himself was not a great idea, but bill had a couple things going on which wouldn't look so good, so I understand why he did it. You haven't seen W. do any endorsement speeches and you probably never will. Another Texan that I love to hate is Rick perry who will run for the 80th time only to be counted out faster than al sharpton, or Donald trumph. Speaking of old Rick perry, since racial issues have been brought up, what's the name of his hunting ground again? If your going to run for POTUS, you might want to stay away from a place like that. The popular vote may work in Texas, Alabama, and kentucky but some won't be too happy with that, especially with what's going on now with Baltimore and ferguson. I know somebody will bring up Obama and racist again, but you won't catch him at cracker island. But then again he went to wrights church so he's automatically racist. In 2008 Obama won by ten million votes, in 2012 he won the popular vote again this time by five million. The tea party cult is killing the gop. Thank McCain for Sarah palin who has the iq smaller than her shoe size. Since McCain was 146 years old the thought of palin as president would make W look like Lincoln. Mitt Romney lost for one reason, he was Mormon. that's what did him in had he declared Christianity, I'm not so sure he would of lost, not only that he was awful in the debates. He's almost a John Kerry clone but obviously gop. This next election will be big time with the house, and the senate especially if Hillary wins. Rand Paul or Christie I would consider voting for but there is nobody on that side strong enough to beat Hillary. Like those who voted for Barack and never voted before, the same will go for Hillary especially the feminists that will show up in full force just to see a woman president. I guess the good news is if a republican won the election that 1% with be thrilled. Hell, papa john may give his employees the benefits that he said he couldn't afford if Obama was president.
 
Uh oh! How dare you use W's name in vein. Plus your post made since which will piss some people off. I mentioned it before with gore distancing himself was not a great idea, but bill had a couple things going on which wouldn't look so good, so I understand why he did it. You haven't seen W. do any endorsement speeches and you probably never will. Another Texan that I love to hate is Rick perry who will run for the 80th time only to be counted out faster than al sharpton, or Donald trumph. Speaking of old Rick perry, since racial issues have been brought up, what's the name of his hunting ground again? If your going to run for POTUS, you might want to stay away from a place like that. The popular vote may work in Texas, Alabama, and kentucky but some won't be too happy with that, especially with what's going on now with Baltimore and ferguson. I know somebody will bring up Obama and racist again, but you won't catch him at cracker island. But then again he went to wrights church so he's automatically racist. In 2008 Obama won by ten million votes, in 2012 he won the popular vote again this time by five million. The tea party cult is killing the gop. Thank McCain for Sarah palin who has the iq smaller than her shoe size. Since McCain was 146 years old the thought of palin as president would make W look like Lincoln. Mitt Romney lost for one reason, he was Mormon. that's what did him in had he declared Christianity, I'm not so sure he would of lost, not only that he was awful in the debates. He's almost a John Kerry clone but obviously gop. This next election will be big time with the house, and the senate especially if Hillary wins. Rand Paul or Christie I would consider voting for but there is nobody on that side strong enough to beat Hillary. Like those who voted for Barack and never voted before, the same will go for Hillary especially the feminists that will show up in full force just to see a woman president. I guess the good news is if a republican won the election that 1% with be thrilled. Hell, papa john may give his employees the benefits that he said he couldn't afford if Obama was president.


Everything wrong in this country is Bush;s fault. :rolleyes: Obama has been POTUS for over 6 years now,and yet nothing is his fault? Race relations=worse,income=down, jobs= record number aren't even looking, more people than ever on food stamps, middle east blowing up. And somehow all this is a man's fault that has been out of office for over 6 years.

Only people that will fair any better under Hilary is the Clintons, themselves. Went from being broke and in debt in 2000, to worth over 120 million now, all this was done while she was a US Senator and Secretary of State,hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Bill Clinton has given 13 speeches since he left office @ 500K a pop,11 of those was while his wife was Secretary of State. But, I am sure you see nothing wrong with that,right?
 
Catdaddy, Nafta never would've passed the senate without Clinton's endorsement. The Democrats run as the party of the working class, which is a joke, Clinton pushing NAFTA and signing it has opened up every free trade agrrement since not to mention the millions of good paying middle class jobs lost.

And the Country was headed into a recession that Bush gets blamed for when Clinton left office.
 
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Romney didn't lose because he was mormon, thats ridiculous. No one but the left gave a shit about it. What got him beat more than anything was the 47% comment.

Did you actually watch the debates? Romney absolutely smoked Obama in the first one, then for some reason backed off in the last two.
 
So, it sounds like Iran has seized one of our ships in the
Romney didn't lose because he was mormon, thats ridiculous. No one but the left gave a shit about it. What got him beat more than anything was the 47% comment.

Did you actually watch the debates? Romney absolutely smoked Obama in the first one, then for some reason backed off in the last two.

I think more people than anybody wants to admit, stayed home on Romney, because he was a Mormon. Personally, I think he would have made a good POTUS.
 
West KY, You may be right, but personally I never heard anyone say they weren't voting for him because he was Mormon.
 
West KY, You may be right, but personally I never heard anyone say they weren't voting for him because he was Mormon.

I think you are right. They didn't say it. It's just a feeling I got from people leading up to the election. It's really the only thing that explains how more people voted McCain than voted for Romney in their respective races. I don't doubt the 47% hurt him too.
 
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