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[WillGolf4Food]

Originally posted by wildcatadam6:

Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:

As president he’s acted as the moderate.

So his stance in regards to the military/Afghanistan/Lybia is liberal? Not to mention the aggressive stance on killing Bin Laden. One of your fellow conservatives on this board stated recently he was more Hawkish than Bush.

He kept the tax cuts for the wealthy

Made an excellent financial investment in GM, saved jobs

Throw up Healthcare all you want but that was on his platform as candidate Obama (as well as McCain) and he got elected. You know, the will of the people and all that.

 

[JHB4UK]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

That is factually inaccurate and the actual number is for the most part a meaningless statistic because going back to 1948 there have only been 3 occasions when unemployment was higher that 7.2% during the presidential election cycle:

1976 - 7.7% incumbent Ford lost to Carter
1984 - 7.5% incumbent Reagan beat Mondale in a landslide
1992 - 7.5% incumbent George H.W. Bush lost to Clinton

Yeah, there is indeed more to the unemployment number than just what it is on election day. Take your 3 examples:

1976 - rate went from 4.9% in 73 to 7.7% in 76 - incumbent (party member anyway) fired
1984 - 7.6% when Reagan took office, spiked up to 9.7% in 82, then dramatically decreased to that 7.5% amount. Unsurprisingly with solid evidence his policies were indeed making it "Morning in America" he was resoundingly reelected
1992 - 5.3% when Sr took office, 7.5% when he was evicted. "It's the economy, stupid!" was born.

Which brings us to present times. The unemployment rate when Obama took office Jan 2009 was 7.8%. It is 9.1% now. The stimulus is now universally discredited as a failed Obama policy, even he admitted "shovel ready" was a joke yesterday. So much for adding on $800 billion to the national debt to keep unemployment under 8%, eh? We havent been as low as 8.2% since Feb 2009.

What is unemployment going to be Nov 2012? Higher, if so, why? Lower, if so why? Because this is what will cook Obama's goose, as long as whoever the GOP nominee is can be disciplined enough to pound him on jobs jobs jobs the second he wakes up in the morning till the day their head hits the pillow that night. Personally I think it will be around 8.5%. Lots and LOTS of goverment employees are going to be fired at every level over the next 18 months as the states continue to do as they are required by balancing their budget. And FINALLY thanks to Boehner and the GOP the Feds take some long overdue reductions in size. In the private sector, why exactly should any business expand operations when the devastation of Obamacare still looms overhead them like a 10 ton anvil held by dental floss? Not to mention the demand of radical Democrats in the Senate that higher taxes have to be part of the equasion of any budget/debt deals.

month by month unemployment.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:
^The economy posses a huge political obstacle for Obama no doubt about that. Obama will attempt to frame the economy on the theme that "we are making progress - stay the course". The pubs will attempt to say everything he tried has failed. That's your debate in a nutshell right there.

In reality the type of economic hit we took in 2008 will take several years to recover from 5-8 IMO and unemployment number may never come down much lower than 7% in the next 20 years - that's due to globalization and the dumming down of the youth who are not trained for the jobs of the 21st Century. There isn't much any president can do about that in the near term.
This post was edited on 6/14 10:26 AM by Deeeefense

Well, in defense of Obama, he will get the blame for high number no matter what policies he employs. However, he has taken little to no heat for the gas prices and Bush was hammered every time in went up a penny. And you're right about the debate. Barring any national attack or catastrophe it will be about the economy and nothing else.
If Obama can get the unemployment down to around 7% he will probably win but I just don;t see it dropping 2 points especially in light of the job news last month.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

" However, the question is not whether Obama has relations with ACORN. He does, as do other politicians."


Again, not nearly to level that Obama does/did. That's my point. I don;t care if he has a card or not like the OP stated. You used the word semantics and that's exactly right.

 

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by JHB4UK:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

That is factually inaccurate and the actual number is for the most part a meaningless statistic because going back to 1948 there have only been 3 occasions when unemployment was higher that 7.2% during the presidential election cycle:

1976 - 7.7% incumbent Ford lost to Carter
1984 - 7.5% incumbent Reagan beat Mondale in a landslide
1992 - 7.5% incumbent George H.W. Bush lost to Clinton

Yeah, there is indeed more to the unemployment number than just what it is on election day. Take your 3 examples:

1976 - rate went from 4.9% in 73 to 7.7% in 76 - incumbent (party member anyway) fired
1984 - 7.6% when Reagan took office, spiked up to 9.7% in 82, then dramatically decreased to that 7.5% amount. Unsurprisingly with solid evidence his policies were indeed making it "Morning in America" he was resoundingly reelected
1992 - 5.3% when Sr took office, 7.5% when he was evicted. "It's the economy, stupid!" was born.

Which brings us to present times. The unemployment rate when Obama took office Jan 2009 was 7.8%. It is 9.1% now. The stimulus is now universally discredited as a failed Obama policy, even he admitted "shovel ready" was a joke yesterday. So much for adding on $800 billion to the national debt to keep unemployment under 8%, eh? We havent been as low as 8.2% since Feb 2009.

What is unemployment going to be Nov 2012? Higher, if so, why? Lower, if so why? Because this is what will cook Obama's goose, as long as whoever the GOP nominee is can be disciplined enough to pound him on jobs jobs jobs the second he wakes up in the morning till the day their head hits the pillow that night. Personally I think it will be around 8.5%. Lots and LOTS of goverment employees are going to be fired at every level over the next 18 months as the states continue to do as they are required by balancing their budget. And FINALLY thanks to Boehner and the GOP the Feds take some long overdue reductions in size. In the private sector, why exactly should any business expand operations when the devastation of Obamacare still looms overhead them like a 10 ton anvil held by dental floss? Not to mention the demand of radical Democrats in the Senate that higher taxes have to be part of the equasion of any budget/debt deals.

Good point on the trend line. The economy will have to be trending stronger in the right direction for Obama to sell the public on "stay the course".

Health care cost born by employers has always been one of the reasons moving plants off shore was desirable. That's why GM and Ford built plants in Canada where there is no health care premiums to pay. But please explain what part of the Affordable Care Act that you think is being more burdensome on corporations that already sponsor a health care plan for their employees? And as far as jobs go, please list the number of job bills the Republican controlled congress has passed since the took over 6 months ago? I'll give you a hint, it's a number less than 1

This post was edited on 6/14 2:12 PM by Deeeefense

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Mime-Is-Money:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:

Even if your delusion- which is what it is - proves true, no incumbent has ever been re-elected with an unemployment rate above 7.2%. His goose is cooked. It's better if you start to deal with it now.

My delusion? That the unemployment is projected to decrease to the mid 8% by the end of this year? That's not my prediction, it's the forecast from market analysts. These could obviously be adjusted with subsequent economic data but, as of now, most, if not all, analysts foresee a pick-up in Q3 & Q4. I can list these forecasts if you'd like?

Defense has already dismissed the '7.2%' claim (twice now). Reagan was re-elected when the unemployment rate was 7.4%.

There's a long time between now and the election. You have to remember that the economy stank in the summer of 2003 before the Bush election. Interestingly enough, Bush's approval ratings at that time were similar to what Obama's is now (~ 50%) and that was after the 12% ratings bump on Q1 2003 when launching the campaign in Iraq.

There's a long way to go. Obama can, and will, certainly lose if the economy continues at this pace. If it picks up, with gas prices decreasing, you should expect a boost in favorability.

This post was edited on 6/14 12:29 PM by Mime-Is-Money

Reagan was running against Mondale number 1 so the unemployment could have been 20% and he would have won and you have to go back to FDR for the other incumbent.
Bush senior had a 90% approval rating a year before the election and lost due to high unemployment numbers and raising taxes. 90%. Obama is fighting to stay above 40 at this point. He is in severe trouble.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

"My delusion? That the unemployment is projected to decrease to the mid 8% by the end of this year? That's not my prediction, it's the forecast from market analysts."

So is the Obama administration that also said the rate would not go above 8%. Color me skeptical.

 

[sinker16]

Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:

Originally posted by wildcatadam6:

Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:

As president he’s acted as the moderate.

So his stance in regards to the military/Afghanistan/Lybia is liberal? Not to mention the aggressive stance on killing Bin Laden. One of your fellow conservatives on this board stated recently he was more Hawkish than Bush.

He kept the tax cuts for the wealthy

Made an excellent financial investment in GM, saved jobs

Throw up Healthcare all you want but that was on his platform as candidate Obama (as well as McCain) and he got elected. You know, the will of the people and all that.

He is a fascist just like Bush was. What's the difference other than one plays for your team?

 

[Jeh_]

^A fascist because?

 

[sinker16]

The useless wars and bailouts for starters. What's the difference between BO and GWB? Is Guantanamo closed yet?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
"My delusion? That the unemployment is projected to decrease to the mid 8% by the end of this year? That's not my prediction, it's the forecast from market analysts."

So is the Obama administration that also said the rate would not go above 8%. Color me skeptical.

You are hitting the nail on the head. Hell, Biden said we'd be adding 500K jobs per month airy month, and that knucklehead is in charge of PBO's economic task force.

Pretty much done with listening to 'projections' and 'forecasts' by 'experts' and 'academes' and going off numbers in hand. These people are (generally speaking) in the tank for Obama and feel vested in projecting good news. Seriously, how many times in a 'news' article do you see a mention of an 'expert's' forecast being wrong? A lot.

 

[Jeh_]

Ah okay. I just get mixed signals from this thread. Either he is far left liberal, socialist, or a fascist.

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
Again, not nearly to level that Obama does/did. That's my point. I don;t care if he has a card or not like the OP stated. You used the word semantics and that's exactly right.

Ah, your point is thus attacking a man of straw. No one said the opposite. However, give me a couple of days and I'll dig up connections with three of the current GOP field and ACORN.

The extent of Obama's relationship with ACORN is actually quite minimal. He represented one of their cases in the 90's as a representative of a civil suit regarding federal voter registration law. He also represented the DoJ, League of Women Voters of Illinois, and League of United Latin American Citizens in the same case...in which he and his colleagues won. This is a big 'so what'? He also worked for Project Vote in a successful voter registration campaign that coordinated their efforts with ACORN. Once again, who cares? Lastly, his campaign donated funds affiliated with ACORN for get-out-the-vote campaigns in Loooozana.

You act as if ACORN is an organization hell bent to fulfill sinister motives. You, and others that view this group as the bogeyman, fail to realize the good that the organization accomplishes, including disaster relief, legitimate voter registration efforts, highlighting unethical lending practices, and pushing chartered school programs. Sure it has its issues, and I'm more than glad that these were brought to light (most notably internal embezzlement, conflicts of interest, and falsified voter registration), but the extent to which it was vilified during the 08 election was comical. And the 'guilt by association' angle can be played with every single politician.

Getting back to the issue at hand. WRSEC said, quite emphatically, that Obama was a member. He is not. That's really the extent of the conversation. Anything beyond that is a waste of everyone's time.
This post was edited on 6/14 3:45 PM by Mime-Is-Money

 

[sinker16]

Originally posted by Jeh_:
Ah okay. I just get mixed signals from this thread. Either he is far left liberal, socialist, or a fascist.

And what was the difference between he and Bush?

 

[WillGolf4Food]

Originally posted by sinker16:
The useless wars and bailouts for starters. What's the difference between BO and GWB? Is Guantanamo closed yet?

And exactly how is that fascism?

Looks like we're too late, WhitesRulesSEC has spawned.

 

[Jeh_]

Originally posted by sinker16:

Originally posted by Jeh_:
Ah okay. I just get mixed signals from this thread. Either he is far left liberal, socialist, or a fascist.

And what was the difference between he and Bush?

Not much actually. I have said the two are similar in a lot of ways.

 

[Lumpy 2]

Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:

Originally posted by wildcatadam6:
I see we're still calling bush a conservative.

Hard to imagine a republican governor from TX as anything but.

Is R Perry a faux conservative as well?

Rick Perry is a former Democrat who worked for Al Gore's campaign in 1988.

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
Obama is an extremist and always has been his whole political career.

I believe the entire idea of a representative Republic is to reflect the views of your constituents. Senator Obama was from one of the most (if not #1) liberal areas in the mid-West. So he did his job.

As president he’s acted as the moderate which is where the majority of American’s fall. Once again he’s done his job representing his constituency.

So, to no one’s surprised, you’ve swung and missed. Again.

yeah, he's a moderate...o.k.

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Mime-Is-Money:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
Again, not nearly to level that Obama does/did. That's my point. I don;t care if he has a card or not like the OP stated. You used the word semantics and that's exactly right.

Ah, your point is thus attacking a man of straw. No one said the opposite. However, give me a couple of days and I'll dig up connections with three of the current GOP field and ACORN.

The extent of Obama's relationship with ACORN is actually quite minimal. He represented one of their cases in the 90's as a representative of a civil suit regarding federal voter registration law. He also represented the DoJ, League of Women Voters of Illinois, and League of United Latin American Citizens in the same case...in which he and his colleagues won. This is a big 'so what'? He also worked for Project Vote in a successful voter registration campaign that coordinated their efforts with ACORN. Once again, who cares? Lastly, his campaign donated funds affiliated with ACORN for get-out-the-vote campaigns in Loooozana.

You act as if ACORN is an organization hell bent to fulfill sinister motives. You, and others that view this group as the bogeyman, fail to realize the good that the organization accomplishes, including disaster relief, legitimate voter registration efforts, highlighting unethical lending practices, and pushing chartered school programs. Sure it has its issues, and I'm more than glad that these were brought to light (most notably internal embezzlement, conflicts of interest, and falsified voter registration), but the extent to which it was vilified during the 08 election was comical. And the 'guilt by association' angle can be played with every single politician.

Getting back to the issue at hand. WRSEC said, quite emphatically, that Obama was a member. He is not. That's really the extent of the conversation. Anything beyond that is a waste of everyone's time.
This post was edited on 6/14 3:45 PM by Mime-Is-Money

oh, so he's not an actual member...

but he supports them, made speeches for them, walked with them, has close ties to many ACORN members, and used them to his benefit collecting illegal votes on his way to the White House.

ACORN is a rabble-rousing group of street thugs backed by crooks like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They intimidated neighborhood businesses that didn't hire "who they want" to hire or do "what they want" to do...

You know, the typical shakedown artists that Obama and his friends have always been associated with in that hell-hole called Chicago, which continues to have some of the worst neighborhoods with abysmal graduation rates from inner city schools. Yep, Barack and his friends in ACORN sure have done a lot of good for those inner city folks they always claim to "represent".

Typical liberal politicians always claiming they're fighting for the "down and out" and the "inner city folks" , but yet their idiotic policies have done nothing, but ensure the inner city poor stay exactly where they are...in the projects, uneducated, and a SOLID DEMOCRAT VOTING BLOCK. God forbid they actually get out of the ghetto with an education, and think for themselves.

Then, they may actually evaluate candidates and they won't be such a dependable voting block for the ghetto masters like Barack and Jesse. No, Barack and Jesse want those folks exactly where they are...Because they can count on their vote every single election....

Tell someone who believes your B.S. about ACORN being some up-standing organization. Is that why they were recently forced to close down?

 

[C_Cat]

As president he’s acted as the moderate which is where the majority of American’s fall. Once again he’s done his job representing his constituency.

Tell me you are kidding when you say the above - He is trying to bankrupt this country. The POTUS does not go to other countries and apologize for America. He is a POS that should have not been elected. No experience and it shows -- he has got this country in a mess and I can't wait to get him and his cronies out of office.

The American people are going to take this country back from all the liberals who are in the White House.

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

oh, so he's not an actual member...

but he supports them, made speeches for them, walked with them, has close ties to many ACORN members, and used them to his benefit collecting illegal votes on his way to the White House.

ACORN is a rabble-rousing group of street thugs backed by crooks like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They intimidated neighborhood businesses that didn't hire "who they want" to hire or do "what they want" to do...

You know, the typical shakedown artists that Obama and his friends have always been associated with in that hell-hole called Chicago, which continues to have some of the worst neighborhoods with abysmal graduation rates from inner city schools. Yep, Barack and his friends in ACORN sure have done a lot of good for those inner city folks they always claim to "represent".

Typical liberal politicians always claiming they're fighting for the "down and out" and the "inner city folks" , but yet their idiotic policies have done nothing, but ensure the inner city poor stay exactly where they are...in the projects, uneducated, and a SOLID DEMOCRAT VOTING BLOCK. God forbid they actually get out of the ghetto with an education, and think for themselves.

Then, they may actually evaluate candidates and they won't be such a dependable voting block for the ghetto masters like Barack and Jesse. No, Barack and Jesse want those folks exactly where they are...Because they can count on their vote every single election....

Tell someone who believes your B.S. about ACORN being some up-standing organization. Is that why they were recently forced to close down?

They went bankrupt due to legal costs of defending the organization against civil lawsuits after 2008.

"They intimidated neighborhood businesses that didn't hire "who they want" to hire or do "what they want" to do..."

Please list an instance. thanks.

"God forbid they actually get out of the ghetto with an education, and think for themselves."

What? Please list a law that forces anyone to not get an education and/or live anywhere that they don't want to live.

Thanks in advance for your response.

"Then, they may actually evaluate candidates and they won't be such a dependable voting block for the ghetto masters like Barack and Jesse. No, Barack and Jesse want those folks exactly where they are...Because they can count on their vote every single election...."

Jesus Herald Chr*st, you're racist. Black people, and other minorities of inner cities, vote for themselves. You're describing this demographic as mindless slaves who are powerless to "ghetto masters". Good work.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Obama is far from moderate. He's a right wing chickenhawk war mongerer. Obviously. More Powers Resolution LOLOL.

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by C_Cat:
As president he’s acted as the moderate which is where the majority of American’s fall. Once again he’s done his job representing his constituency.

Tell me you are kidding when you say the above - He is trying to bankrupt this country. The POTUS does not go to other countries and apologize for America. He is a POS that should have not been elected. No experience and it shows -- he has got this country in a mess and I can't wait to get him and his cronies out of office.

The American people are going to take this country back from all the liberals who are in the White House.

I like your attitude.

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Mime-Is-Money:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

oh, so he's not an actual member...

but he supports them, made speeches for them, walked with them, has close ties to many ACORN members, and used them to his benefit collecting illegal votes on his way to the White House.

ACORN is a rabble-rousing group of street thugs backed by crooks like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They intimidated neighborhood businesses that didn't hire "who they want" to hire or do "what they want" to do...

You know, the typical shakedown artists that Obama and his friends have always been associated with in that hell-hole called Chicago, which continues to have some of the worst neighborhoods with abysmal graduation rates from inner city schools. Yep, Barack and his friends in ACORN sure have done a lot of good for those inner city folks they always claim to "represent".

Typical liberal politicians always claiming they're fighting for the "down and out" and the "inner city folks" , but yet their idiotic policies have done nothing, but ensure the inner city poor stay exactly where they are...in the projects, uneducated, and a SOLID DEMOCRAT VOTING BLOCK. God forbid they actually get out of the ghetto with an education, and think for themselves.

Then, they may actually evaluate candidates and they won't be such a dependable voting block for the ghetto masters like Barack and Jesse. No, Barack and Jesse want those folks exactly where they are...Because they can count on their vote every single election....

Tell someone who believes your B.S. about ACORN being some up-standing organization. Is that why they were recently forced to close down?

They went bankrupt due to legal costs of defending the organization against civil lawsuits after 2008.

"They intimidated neighborhood businesses that didn't hire "who they want" to hire or do "what they want" to do..."

Please list an instance. thanks.

"God forbid they actually get out of the ghetto with an education, and think for themselves."

What? Please list a law that forces anyone to not get an education and/or live anywhere that they don't want to live.

Thanks in advance for your response.

"Then, they may actually evaluate candidates and they won't be such a dependable voting block for the ghetto masters like Barack and Jesse. No, Barack and Jesse want those folks exactly where they are...Because they can count on their vote every single election...."

Jesus Herald Chr*st, you're racist. Black people, and other minorities of inner cities, vote for themselves. You're describing this demographic as mindless slaves who are powerless to "ghetto masters". Good work.

I would have continued to debate with you, but predictably, you pulled the race card.

As soon as people like you pull the race card, you've already lost the entire argument. You always use the race card when you can't argue your position.

So have a good day.....Jesse, Barack, and Al have taught you well...

 

[Irish Beck]

Be honest, you can't debate with him because you aren't using anything other than conjecture. He called your bluff and you bitched out because you are a flake.

Show one example of anything you claimed in the OP in question. Just one example.

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
I would have continued to debate with you, but predictably, you pulled the race card.

As soon as people like you pull the race card, you've already lost the entire argument. You always use the race card when you can't argue your position.

So have a good day.....Jesse, Barack, and Al have taught you well...

^actually, everyone lost with this "argument".

I presented my position, you have no counter. My comment after the fact is just your excuse to leave the "discussion".

I've only called one person 'racist' on this board and it was well warranted. You seem to enjoy your ignorance so there's not much left to do but laugh and hope there are only a few like you out there.
This post was edited on 6/14 5:31 PM by Mime-Is-Money

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Mime-Is-Money:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
I would have continued to debate with you, but predictably, you pulled the race card.

As soon as people like you pull the race card, you've already lost the entire argument. You always use the race card when you can't argue your position.

So have a good day.....Jesse, Barack, and Al have taught you well...

^actually, everyone lost with this "argument".

I presented my position, you have no counter. My comment after the fact is just your excuse to leave the "discussion".

I've only called one person 'racist' on this board and it was well warranted. You seem to enjoy your ignorance so there's not much left to do but laugh and hope there are only a few like you out there.
This post was edited on 6/14 5:31 PM by Mime-Is-Money

you had to pull the race card....that was your out....you couldn't just debate your position.

 

[Jeh_]

Originally posted by C_Cat:
As president he’s acted as the moderate which is where the majority of American’s fall. Once again he’s done his job representing his constituency.

Tell me you are kidding when you say the above - He is trying to bankrupt this country. The POTUS does not go to other countries and apologize for America. He is a POS that should have not been elected. No experience and it shows -- he has got this country in a mess and I can't wait to get him and his cronies out of office.

The American people are going to take this country back from all the liberals who are in the White House.

How is he trying to bankrupt this country? Continuing Bush tax cuts (which are now his). Not ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (also Bush's, but now Obama's). And what about the Medicare Bill signed in by Bush which added $259 Billion in 2 years.

National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:

Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-Tr­illion
Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-Tr­illion

But of the $3.56-tril­lion increase, 98% was CARRY OVER from Bush programs:

Bush: $1,012-bil­lion = Interest on Debt 2009-2011 ($398/yr)
Bush: $174-billi­on = Iraq War Spending 2009-2011
Bush: $967-billi­on = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
Bush: $136-billi­on = Bush Medicare Part-D (Drug) 2009-2011 ($60.8/yr)
Bush: $123-billi­on = Bush Meicare Advantage 2009-2011 ($54.9/yr)
Bush: $832-billi­on = Bush Tax Cuts 2009-2011

Total: $3.244-Tri­llion (2009-2011­)

Bush's contributi­ons:

2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri­llion
2009 to 2011: $3.244-tri­llion

Total: $8.013-tri­llion

Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-Tril­lion

Bush's contributi­on: $8.013-tri­llion / $8.26-Tril­lion

Obama only contributi­on: $580-billi­on = Stimulus Spending (as of Dec 2010).

Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 97%
Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 3%

Hopefully this will stop the nonsense that Obama wants to bankrupt this country. Or that he is far left liberal. As I have said all along. The two are similar in a lot of ways. You want to blame a side? Blame both parties.

http://www­.treasuryd­irect.gov/­govt/repor­ts/ir/ir_e­xpense.htm
http://www­.treasury.­gov/initia­tives/fina­ncial-stab­ility/brie­fing-room/­reports/10­5/Document­s105/Febru­ary%202011­%20105(a)%­20Report_F­inal.pdf
http://www­.cbpp.org/­cms/?fa=vi­ew&id=1018
http://www­.fas.org/s­gp/crs/nat­sec/RL3311­0.pdf
http://www­.treasuryd­irect.gov/­govt/repor­ts/pd/mspd­/mspd.htm
http://www­.cms.gov/R­eportsTrus­tFunds/dow­nloads/tr2­009.pdf
https://ww­w.cms.gov/­ReportsTru­stFunds/do­wnloads/tr­2010.pdf
http://pro­jects.prop­ublica.org­/tables/st­imulus-spe­nding-prog­ress
http://www­.taxpolicy­center.org­/taxfacts/­displayafa­ct.cfm?Doc­id=200
http://www­.forbes.co­m/2009/11/­19/republi­can-budget­-hypocrisy­-health-ca­re-opinion­s-columnis­ts-bruce-b­artlett.ht­ml
http://www­.nytimes.c­om/2009/06­/10/busine­ss/economy­/10leonhar­dt.html?_r­=4&hp
http://www­.cbpp.org/­cms/index.­cfm?fa=vie­w&id=3036

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/224610/inside-obamas-acorn/stanley-kurtz

There is my one example...Yes, I can bring more, but don't need to if you're honest with yourself and Google a little...

ACORN pressured banks into giving donations by using intimidation tactics. They are a classic shakedown, thuggish organization, which is very similar to Jesse Jackson's tactics.

So now, will you admit the truth about their tactics and continue the discussion? Or pull the race card? My guess is the latter....

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Jeh_:

Originally posted by C_Cat:
As president he’s acted as the moderate which is where the majority of American’s fall. Once again he’s done his job representing his constituency.

Tell me you are kidding when you say the above - He is trying to bankrupt this country. The POTUS does not go to other countries and apologize for America. He is a POS that should have not been elected. No experience and it shows -- he has got this country in a mess and I can't wait to get him and his cronies out of office.

The American people are going to take this country back from all the liberals who are in the White House.

How is he trying to bankrupt this country? Continuing Bush tax cuts (which are now his). Not ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (also Bush's, but now Obama's). And what about the Medicare Bill signed in by Bush which added $259 Billion in 2 years.

National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:

Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-Tr­illion
Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-Tr­illion

But of the $3.56-tril­lion increase, 98% was CARRY OVER from Bush programs:

Bush: $1,012-bil­lion = Interest on Debt 2009-2011 ($398/yr)
Bush: $174-billi­on = Iraq War Spending 2009-2011
Bush: $967-billi­on = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
Bush: $136-billi­on = Bush Medicare Part-D (Drug) 2009-2011 ($60.8/yr)
Bush: $123-billi­on = Bush Meicare Advantage 2009-2011 ($54.9/yr)
Bush: $832-billi­on = Bush Tax Cuts 2009-2011

Total: $3.244-Tri­llion (2009-2011­)

Bush's contributi­ons:

2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri­llion
2009 to 2011: $3.244-tri­llion

Total: $8.013-tri­llion

Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-Tril­lion

Bush's contributi­on: $8.013-tri­llion / $8.26-Tril­lion

Obama only contributi­on: $580-billi­on = Stimulus Spending (as of Dec 2010).

Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 97%
Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 3%

Hopefully this will stop the nonsense that Obama wants to bankrupt this country. Or that he is far left liberal. As I have said all along. The two are similar in a lot of ways. You want to blame a side? Blame both parties.

http://www­.treasuryd­irect.gov/­govt/repor­ts/ir/ir_e­xpense.htm
http://www­.treasury.­gov/initia­tives/fina­ncial-stab­ility/brie­fing-room/­reports/10­5/Document­s105/Febru­ary%202011­%20105(a)%­20Report_F­inal.pdf
http://www­.cbpp.org/­cms/?fa=vi­ew&id=1018
http://www­.fas.org/s­gp/crs/nat­sec/RL3311­0.pdf
http://www­.treasuryd­irect.gov/­govt/repor­ts/pd/mspd­/mspd.htm
http://www­.cms.gov/R­eportsTrus­tFunds/dow­nloads/tr2­009.pdf
https://ww­w.cms.gov/­ReportsTru­stFunds/do­wnloads/tr­2010.pdf
http://pro­jects.prop­ublica.org­/tables/st­imulus-spe­nding-prog­ress
http://www­.taxpolicy­center.org­/taxfacts/­displayafa­ct.cfm?Doc­id=200
http://www­.forbes.co­m/2009/11/­19/republi­can-budget­-hypocrisy­-health-ca­re-opinion­s-columnis­ts-bruce-b­artlett.ht­ml
http://www­.nytimes.c­om/2009/06­/10/busine­ss/economy­/10leonhar­dt.html?_r­=4&hp
http://www­.cbpp.org/­cms/index.­cfm?fa=vie­w&id=3036

Nobody said Bush didn't start the spending spree...You keep setting up strawmen to argue with...

Conservatives are NOT ENAMORED WITH BUSH. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

 

[Irish Beck]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/224610/inside-obamas-acorn/stanley-kurtz

There is my one example...Yes, I can bring more, but don't need to if you're honest with yourself and Google a little...

ACORN pressured banks into giving donations by using intimidation tactics. They are a classic shakedown, thuggish organization, which is very similar to Jesse Jackson's tactics.

So now, will you admit the truth about their tactics and continue the discussion? Or pull the race card? My guess is the latter....

Quick google searching resulted in about 100 left and right wing mouth piece "news" sites with similar opinion pieces full of the same garbage you posted. You are disgustingly racist.

 

[Irish Beck]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

Nobody said Bush didn't start the spending spree...

Originally posted by C_Cat:

he has got this country in a mess and I can't wait to get him and his cronies out of office.

It's obvious reading or not hating black people isn't your strongest suit today.

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/224610/inside-obamas-acorn/stanley-kurtz

There is my one example...Yes, I can bring more, but don't need to if you're honest with yourself and Google a little...

ACORN pressured banks into giving donations by using intimidation tactics. They are a classic shakedown, thuggish organization, which is very similar to Jesse Jackson's tactics.

So now, will you admit the truth about their tactics and continue the discussion? Or pull the race card? My guess is the latter....

Did you even read that article? There is no example of ACORN 'pressuring banks into giving donations using intimidation tactics', nor is there any example in which ACORN 'intimidated neighborhood businesses that didn't hire "who they want" to hire or do "what they want" to do'.

NRO, good stuff. ACORN picketed a Mayor's house, disturbed a city council meeting and demonstrated at a FED hearing? What thugs! Brutish tactics indeed!!

^I'm pretty sure this guy would think I'm a thug since I don't tuck my shirt in on the weekends.
This post was edited on 6/14 6:16 PM by Mime-Is-Money

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by Irish Beck:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

Nobody said Bush didn't start the spending spree...

Originally posted by C_Cat:

he has got this country in a mess and I can't wait to get him and his cronies out of office.

It's obvious reading or not hating black people isn't your strongest suit today.

Apologies for the quote whoring but did WRSEC just admit that he's also C_Cat?

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Irish Beck:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/224610/inside-obamas-acorn/stanley-kurtz

There is my one example...Yes, I can bring more, but don't need to if you're honest with yourself and Google a little...

ACORN pressured banks into giving donations by using intimidation tactics. They are a classic shakedown, thuggish organization, which is very similar to Jesse Jackson's tactics.

So now, will you admit the truth about their tactics and continue the discussion? Or pull the race card? My guess is the latter....

Quick google searching resulted in about 100 left and right wing mouth piece "news" sites with similar opinion pieces full of the same garbage you posted. You are disgustingly racist.

o.k. now I know you're not serious. You would say the same thing about any link that was posted. You're not serious about having a discussion, but just playing games.

lame...

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

"He kept the tax cuts for the wealthy"
Kicking and screaming the entire way. He had no choice.

"Made an excellent financial investment in GM, saved jobs"

We can debate the merits of what he did but the goverment bailing out failing business's is not what I would consider moderate.


"Throw up Healthcare all you want but that was on his platform as candidate Obama (as well as McCain) and he got elected."

MCain wanted to "reform" the healthcare system, Obama is trying to completely "transform" the system by mandating goverment run insurance. Again, not moderate.

I understand that calling him a Marxists and Socialists is a bit extreme but to suggest the guy is a moderate is an absolute fallacy.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Mime-Is-Money:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
Again, not nearly to level that Obama does/did. That's my point. I don;t care if he has a card or not like the OP stated. You used the word semantics and that's exactly right.

Ahjavascript:quoteParent();void('');, your point is thus attacking a man of straw. No one said the opposite. However, give me a couple of days and I'll dig up connections with three of the current GOP field and ACORN.

The extent of Obama's relationship with ACORN is actually quite minimal. He represented one of their cases in the 90's as a representative of a civil suit regarding federal voter registration law. He also represented the DoJ, League of Women Voters of Illinois, and League of United Latin American Citizens in the same case...in which he and his colleagues won. This is a big 'so what'? He also worked for Project Vote in a successful voter registration campaign that coordinated their efforts with ACORN. Once again, who cares? Lastly, his campaign donated funds affiliated with ACORN for get-out-the-vote campaigns in Loooozana.

You act as if ACORN is an organization hell bent to fulfill sinister motives. You, and others that view this group as the bogeyman, fail to realize the good that the organization accomplishes, including disaster relief, legitimate voter registration efforts, highlighting unethical lending practices, and pushing chartered school programs. Sure it has its issues, and I'm more than glad that these were brought to light (most notably internal embezzlement, conflicts of interest, and falsified voter registration), but the extent to which it was vilified during the 08 election was comical. And the 'guilt by association' angle can be played with every single politician.

Getting back to the issue at hand. WRSEC said, quite emphatically, that Obama was a member. He is not. That's really the extent of the conversation. Anything beyond that is a waste of everyone's time.
This post was edited on 6/14 3:45 PM by Mime-Is-Money

His affiliation goes back 20 years and when the acorn scandal broke he acted as if he hardly knew who ACORN was You are simply wrong on this one. It's not hard to find credible evidence on any of this but continue to bury your head in the sand if you must. From an article by John Fund.


"Mr. Obama took great pains to act as if he barely knew about Acorn. In fact, his association goes back almost 20 years. In 1991, he took time off from his law firm to run a voter-registration drive for Project Vote, an Acorn partner that was soon fully absorbed under the Acorn umbrella. The drive registered 135,000 voters and was considered a major factor in the upset victory of Democrat Carol Moseley Braun over incumbent Democratic Senator Alan Dixon in the 1992 Democratic Senate primary.

Mr. Obama's success made him a hot commodity on the community organizing circuit. He became a top trainer at Acorn's Chicago conferences. In 1995, he became Acorn's attorney, participating in a landmark case to force the state of Illinois to implement the federal Motor Voter Law. That law's loose voter registration requirements would later be exploited by Acorn employees in an effort to flood voter rolls with fake names.

In 1996, Mr. Obama filled out a questionnaire listing key supporters for his campaign for the Illinois Senate. He put Acorn first (it was not an alphabetical list). In the U.S. Senate, Mr. Obama became the leading critic of Voter ID laws, whose overturn was a top Acorn priority. In 2007, in a speech to Acorn's leaders prior to their political arm's endorsement of his presidential campaign, Mr. Obama was effusive: "I've been fighting alongside of Acorn on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote in Illinois, Acorn was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work."

But the Obama campaign didn't appear eager to discuss the candidate's ties to Acorn. Its press operation vividly denied Mr. Obama had been an Acorn trainer until the New York Times uncovered records demonstrating that he had been. The Obama campaign also gave Citizens Consulting, Inc., an Acorn subsidiary, $832,000 for get-out-the-vote activities in key primary states. In filings with the Federal Election Commission, the Obama campaign listed the payments as "staging, sound, lighting," only correcting the filings after the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed their true nature."

 

[ukalumni00]

Not a fan at all of Obama, but the man has stuck to his campaign principals for the most part. Obamacare was discussed during his campaign, people knew about his lack of business experience and frankly experience overall, people knew he was the most liberal Senator in Washington D.C., many knew he was a master of the teleprompter speech, and the list goes on. So, why people are surprised he is not getting the job done and has created an even bigger mess is beyond me. The bigger problem is that so many people do not know who or what they are voting for (both sides of the aisle). I know many people who voted from Obama because they just liked his message of change and had no idea what he stood for. Now they are begging to bring someone else into Washington. I am not going to get into an argument on which side is right, wrong, etc. but the fact is that this country is in a financial mess and we need someone who can bring in the right team with the right experience and knowledge to get this problem fixed. We all know most politicians are corrupt and dirtbags, so it comes down to who has the right experience and smallest amount of shadiness in them. I really have no clue right now.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Jeh, I appreciate the time it took you to research and link that post but the bottom line is Obama has done nothing to undue the terrible spending practices of GWB and has in fact amplified them. I don't know what else there is to say about it.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

"Jesus Herald Chr*st, you're racist. Black people, and other minorities of inner cities, vote for themselves. You're describing this demographic as mindless slaves who are powerless to "ghetto masters"."

Off the subject but I would submit that it is the left who continually pushes back on things like voter id requirements because it somehow puts blacks and other minorities at a disadvantage. That's their reasoning anyway but we all know the real reason. Blacks aren't capable of getting ID's according to the left. So if anyone is portraying the black communities as "mindless slaves", it is the left.