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Forde on Cliff Alexander/KU

So just to be clear, Bill Self is a horrible cheater and needs to have his wins vacated if this is proven true, yes? That's the standard these half wit dopes have held Cal to for 20 years over the Marcus Camby situation.
 
So like Ben McLemore? For all the chirping they like to do about Cal and UK, that's starting to be what rival fans might call a "trend."
 
Originally posted by KA4Prez:
If true, what makes it any different than Marcus Camby?
Duh. Kansas makes it different. Their players are allowed to receive extra benefits with no penalty. It's in the NCAA rule book. Just ask Ben McLemore's agent.
 
Would be a shame if KU had to vacate that precious Big XII title they hold too dearly.
 
Wow. Freaking agents. They know better too. Praying on people who might need something. If an agent actually did something to make Alexander ineligible, I hope his name goes public. Yeah yeah, I know its ultimately the fault of the person who may have taken something, but praying on people who might need money (or whatever) is pathetic.

GBB!!!
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
Wow. Freaking agents. They know better too. Praying on people who might need something. If an agent actually did something to make Alexander ineligible, I hope his name goes public. Yeah yeah, I know its ultimately the fault of the person who may have taken something, but praying on people who might need money (or whatever) is pathetic.

GBB!!!
200% agree Erik. It really is a disgusting tactic since we know where some of these players were brought up.
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
Wow. Freaking agents. They know better too. Praying on people who might need something. If an agent actually did something to make Alexander ineligible, I hope his name goes public. Yeah yeah, I know its ultimately the fault of the person who may have taken something, but praying on people who might need money (or whatever) is pathetic.

GBB!!!
Wrong. Agents. Runners. Boosters. None of them really care about the NCAA. They want whatever makes them the $$$. If this means messing with a current college player, his parents, coaches or handlers, so be it. It takes two to tango, and if you're going to choose to play at a prestigious program (or any for that matter), you don't jeopardize yourself, your school or your coach/teammates by taking stuff that could get you in trouble. Now, we don't know what the allegations are, but if it's something significant (like Camby), the majority of the blame goes to Alexander and his dad.
 
Kansas is not a white whale. Nor is UNC. The sooner some folks grasp it, the sooner they can get focused on real cheating. Like a 500th win ball.
 
Originally posted by KA4Prez:
If true, what makes it any different than Marcus Camby?
The article did say benefits the family received. In Camby's case it was benefits he himself accepted. Not sure if that is significant or not but if you look at the Cam Newton case the NCAA did not hold him accountable for his father's behavior because supposedly Cam was not aware of what his father had done. However, this is the NCAA and well, there is no real consistency in how they interpret rules or administer penalties, if they administer them at all. My best guess is that he will be re-instated at some point (unless he is goes to the NBA) with time served setting out the only punishment.
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
Wow. Freaking agents. They know better too. Praying on people who might need something. If an agent actually did something to make Alexander ineligible, I hope his name goes public. Yeah yeah, I know its ultimately the fault of the person who may have taken something, but praying on people who might need money (or whatever) is pathetic.

GBB!!!
If there is anything to this and it does go public then is KU 14'-15' season in question? They're a 2 or 3 now how does the NCAA handle this?
 
Originally posted by KA4Prez:
Originally posted by UKErik:
Wow. Freaking agents. They know better too. Praying on people who might need something. If an agent actually did something to make Alexander ineligible, I hope his name goes public. Yeah yeah, I know its ultimately the fault of the person who may have taken something, but praying on people who might need money (or whatever) is pathetic.

GBB!!!
Wrong. Agents. Runners. Boosters. None of them really care about the NCAA. They want whatever makes them the $$$. If this means messing with a current college player, his parents, coaches or handlers, so be it. It takes two to tango, and if you're going to choose to play at a prestigious program (or any for that matter), you don't jeopardize yourself, your school or your coach/teammates by taking stuff that could get you in trouble. Now, we don't know what the allegations are, but if it's something significant (like Camby), the majority of the blame goes to Alexander and his dad.
He isn't wrong. Knowingly doing something that causes a player to lose eligibility is unethical. The idea that you would do this to a prospective client makes it that much worse.

Just because they can earn money and might not technically be breaking the law, doesn't make it right. Yes, the players and their families should know better. But the people with the money (agents) hold most of the power. They should be ashamed (but they're not).
 
KA4Prez, so you're saying agents care for nothing but themselves? Thanks for clearing that up
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Of course, that's obvious. And as I mentioned, it is also on the person who may have taken something. All I'm saying is that when you come across a person who might need something (or just wants something), it's probably not that difficult to pray on them. If that happened, I hope the agents name becomes public and distributed to potential clients.

IMO, parents and the kids themselves need to know that while the agent himself might not be breaking any rules, the fallout from a kid screwing over his school could follow you for the rest of your life (just ask Camby).

GBB!!!

This post was edited on 3/6 12:30 AM by UKErik
 
Originally posted by JumperJack:
Kansas is not a white whale. Nor is UNC. The sooner some folks grasp it, the sooner they can get focused on real cheating. Like a 500th win ball.
We are lucky we didn't get the "death penalty" for that one,I think it weas a fake ball so it didn't count...you know like fake classes.
 
This is pretty typical stuff at Kansas. What's unusual is that they're having to deal with it while Cliff is still in school. It's usually right after they're gone that this stuff comes out, with no repercussions of course.
 
Maybe I'm being too nice, but lets be real here. Cliff Alexander's father has been at the center of his son's recruitment and has made public statements on behalf of his son. Lets not pretend that if HE took something from an agent, that we can't all of the sudden blame Cliff. It's not like Cam where his father is reportedly estranged or what not. Sure, Camby took the money, but that is a scenario that is easy to learn from. Give all of the benefits to a family member, making it nearly impossible to ever put blame on the player. So yes, I see the difference, but it also depends on the relationship of the parent. In this case, dad has been involved in everything...so if he's involved in this, is Cliff and KU absolved? Not that simple.
 
Originally posted by Big Blue 1977:

This is pretty typical stuff at Kansas. What's unusual is that they're having to deal with it while Cliff is still in school. It's usually right after they're gone that this stuff comes out, with no repercussions of course.
Still wondering how they got absolutely nothing regarding Darrell Arthur. Not much different than Derrick Rose, other than it was grades and not a standardized test. Memphis got the hammer and nobody hardly knows about Arthur.
 
I love how his high school coach plays dumb by saying "I knew something was wrong" in reference to the ncaa violations. If anybody knows what's going on its his high school head coach that's been around him 4 years. Another bullet dodged by cal. I do think now cal is at UK he knows even more about recruits and what kind of background they come from. Cliff Alexander is a good player, and he will be oad just not top 10 as expected. The people who get screwed the most for giving handouts to guys like Alexander are the fans. You can't tell me when he was recruited atleast one assistant coach knew what it would take to get him to good ole Kansas.
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
KA4Prez, so you're saying agents care for nothing but themselves? Thanks for clearing that up
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Of course, that's obvious. And as I mentioned, it is also on the person who may have taken something. All I'm saying is that when you come across a person who might need something (or just wants something), it's probably not that difficult to pray on them. If that happened, I hope the agents name becomes public and distributed to potential clients.

IMO, parents and the kids themselves need to know that while the agent himself might not be breaking any rules, the fallout from a kid screwing over his school could follow you for the rest of your life (just ask Camby).

GBB!!!

This post was edited on 3/6 12:30 AM by UKErik
Who are we praying to?
 
I predict that the NCAA will make him ineligible for further college eligibility at Kansas------when he signs an NBA contract.
 
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Cliff's dad: "Yes! Bout to be paid!"

Edit: Look how nervous his dad is as he's reaching towards that Illinois hat. It's actually quite telling.
This post was edited on 3/6 6:35 AM by Willy4UK
 
Nothing will ever happen to Kansas, we all know it just as the NCAA enforcement dept. would never do anything to any of there darling's. (Duke, UNCheat, KU)
Go BB
 
Strict liability and lack of institutional control are strictly enforced for every other D1 school in America except Duke, UNCheat and Kansas. Lance Thomas,Corey Maggete, Julius Peppers, PJ Hairston and Ben Maclemore say hello....and thank you Mr. Emmert.
 
Originally posted by sambowieshin:
Strict liability and lack of institutional control are strictly enforced for every other D1 school in America except Duke, UNCheat and Kansas. Lance Thomas,Corey Maggete, Julius Peppers, PJ Hairston and Ben Maclemore say hello....and thank you Mr. Emmert.
Folks can say all they want.....but this is a true statement.

Make excuses, tap dance, whatever, these three schools have violated so many NCAA rules that the death penalty should have been used years ago.

But.......as usual NOTHING will happen.
 
Originally posted by SeattleKat:

Originally posted by sambowieshin:
Strict liability and lack of institutional control are strictly enforced for every other D1 school in America except Duke, UNCheat and Kansas. Lance Thomas,Corey Maggete, Julius Peppers, PJ Hairston and Ben Maclemore say hello....and thank you Mr. Emmert.
Folks can say all they want.....but this is a true statement.

Make excuses, tap dance, whatever, these three schools have violated so many NCAA rules that the death penalty should have been used years ago.

But.......as usual NOTHING will happen.
True. Amazing how much smoke there is, but the NCAA never finds a fire. Like a previous poster said, they must be too busy protecting the college world from Cal's 500th-win ball.
 
Say goodbye to Alexander to the next level, and say goodbye to Kansas' season.

And this is easily a comparison to the Reggie Bush investigation. That investigation took victories, individual achievements and the head basketball coach resigned.

Will we see that here? Probably not.

And yet, another one to delay the punishment of UNC. First Syracuse, then Duke, now Kansas is helping out Roy.
 
My understanding has always been Camby sought out an agent who fronted him money. Cal had nothing to do with it. I'm not familiar with the Alexander situation, but if it's something like that it's on him, not KU. Granted that's how I see it, not necessarily how the NCAA would. I always thought it unfair to punish the school for the actions of an individual, but that's what the NCAA has done repeatedly. Meanwhile they continue to ignore what went on at UNC which was a systemic perversion of the rules they claim to hold so dear.
 
Kansas fans think that since they sat Cliff as soon as the NCAA gave them a heads-up that there were investigating, they will suffer no penalties/forfeited games. Only Cliff's future eligibility would be impacted. I don't know if that is the rule or not. It probably is - I think its known as the sacred cow codicil.

What's interesting is that Jerrance "Puffy" Howard - with all of his Chicago "connections" was his lead recruiter. If the NCAA could establish some link between Howard and the agent who paid Cliff's parents, it could get ugly. I doubt that happens however. You'd practically have to have video evidence of the exchange to prove it. Again, that's in the sacred cow codicil - same one they used with the Lance Thomas payday loan.
 
Originally posted by KMKAT:
Say goodbye to Alexander to the next level, and say goodbye to Kansas' season.

And this is easily a comparison to the Reggie Bush investigation. That investigation took victories, individual achievements and the head basketball coach resigned.

Will we see that here? Probably not.

And yet, another one to delay the punishment of UNC. First Syracuse, then Duke, now Kansas is helping out Roy.
What would this problem have to do with the move of this young man to the NBA. The NBA doesn't care what the agents do. They just want players.
 
Originally posted by KentuckyRLD:
Originally posted by KMKAT:
Say goodbye to Alexander to the next level, and say goodbye to Kansas' season.

And this is easily a comparison to the Reggie Bush investigation. That investigation took victories, individual achievements and the head basketball coach resigned.

Will we see that here? Probably not.

And yet, another one to delay the punishment of UNC. First Syracuse, then Duke, now Kansas is helping out Roy.
What would this problem have to do with the move of this young man to the NBA. The NBA doesn't care what the agents do. They just want players.
The kid won't be putting on a Kansas jersey again. That is why I referenced that. Alexander is showing late 1st round currently.
 
Originally posted by Blueblood22:
Would be a shame if KU had to vacate that precious Big XII title they hold too dearly.
Would they have to give back the nets they cut down, too?
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Originally posted by KA4Prez:
If true, what makes it any different than Marcus Camby?
Because it is stated as a "family member" . Marcus received his gift himself . The NCAA decided in the Cam Newton case that even if cash is given to the father , if the son says he didn't know , he will not be punished .
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
Wow. Freaking agents. They know better too. Praying on people who might need something. If an agent actually did something to make Alexander ineligible, I hope his name goes public. Yeah yeah, I know its ultimately the fault of the person who may have taken something, but praying on people who might need money (or whatever) is pathetic.

GBB!!!
Absolutely, the illegal benefits should never come from agents. The school should be providing things like Heels for Wheels, housing for families, and cushy jobs with a University associated group. UNC*** has known this all along.
 
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