What does that even mean? The single post important event in mankind...and they are to "busy" to write about it? Ok....
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What does that even mean? The single post important event in mankind...and they are to "busy" to write about it? Ok....
They believed him God's son and were just told to spread the Gospel to all nations while hiding/dodging from radical Jewish leaders and the Roman government.
They wrote about it, just not in your acceptable time frame I guess.
makes me lol each time Crow takes off half a page or an entire page between posts and then slams himself back into the conversation simply to remind all the religious folks just how stupid, wrong, awful, gullible, and senseless they are. It's not that I necessarily agree, but it makes me.
This thread may hit 100 pages with that formula holding strong.
Yeah...he is way to aggressive imo.
At the same time...we have Christians in this thread (that according to the bible and their faith) many who do no accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior...or Lust...or watch porn....are going to hell for all of time to be tortured by the devil. Even if you do not believe in Hell (atheist, agnostic, Buddhist...etc) that is a pretty harsh claim to make of someone.
That God is going to send certain individuals, who are more or less good people, to hell to be tortured for all of eternity...kinda messed up ya know? :/
A big problem I have is "they" were the underwhelming, vast minority. Christianity didn't really catch on and start rolling for a couple of centuries. If there was really a guy running around performing all kinds of miracles and raising himself from the dead, why didn't every single Jew convert on the spot? I know I would have.
Of the millions of people, religious and otherwise, living in Christ's time, I'd guess the number who believed he was divine (even after the resurrection) numbered somewhere in the thousands.
No. This is not a scriptural teaching, it is a church teaching (dogma) adopted centuries after the time of Jesus and the apostles.
“If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief.”
- Edward Gibbon History of Christianity
Jesus made it clear that he was not God, nor was he equal to God:
"Christ Jesus ... gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." - Philippians 2:5,6
It is better to dwell in the wilderness than in a house with an angry and contentious woman. Proverbs 21 : 19
Never said the bible was totally false.
Never said the bible was totally false.
lol Only a rationalizing Christian would think that.
It's the Pagans fault......... smh.
Christians: "the audacity of those Pagans to corrupt our religion after we stole Saturnalia from them"
My church just did a 12 week series on the history of Christians and touched on this subject.
Once Jesus was killed(which was very political) Christians were sent into hiding as the Kings of the time and area wanted to abolish ChriStianity. I forget which was specifically the leader of riding the earth of the religion but the struggle was real and violent. Eventually after time passed there were smaller circles that did start to worship and it grew from there back into main stream society. Basically compared the time to sheep hunted by wolves with no Shepard to protect them.
It was extremely boring but mainly because of the presentation.
The NT and the book of Acts tell us that many did witness these things and did convert. But for the Jewish leaders and those loyal to them, they didn't want to believe that Jesus was the one prophesied in the OT. The Jewish leaders liked their power base just like it was. They also wanted a military/political messiah that would deliver them from Rome, not just deliver them from their sins. I supposed its just like today, you can explain/show things to people and they believe what they want to believe or don't care.
1. I get that ancient men weren't the sharpest, but I don't believe many of them would trade an eternal life for a decade of political power. Especially when their religion had been preparing them for a messiah.
2. You better believe if a well-known religious leader, we'll say Pope Francis, faced a public firing squad and was pronounced dead on Thur., autopsied on Fri., then was back among the living on Mon., 3/4 of the world's population would convert on the spot. It would take 25 years to build enough churches to hold them all. Pretty sure it wouldn't take 200 years, either.
No, that is a quote from English historian Edward Gibbon who was a harsh and outspoken critic of organized religion and such an antagonist to church doctrine that religious leaders tried to have his books banned.
Here Gibbon is correctly pointing out that pagan beliefs infiltrated the early church and some were incorporated as dogma.
According to the scriptures, yes - two separate and distinct beings. Colossians 1:15 describes Jesus as the "first-born" of God's creation.
So I have a question. If you believe that ^^^ specific quote/ verse: scripture from the bible ... Do you believe all the quotes and verses in the bible ?
What about this quote ?
f" baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
It is pretty common in Christianity to believe in the Holy Trinity. Do you not ?
This is my hangup.
So, the good Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, etc. go to hell because they picked the wrong god, but the asshole who cheats on his wife, embezzles money, etc, gets to go to heaven because he sits in a building for an hour on Sundays and "repents" at some point before he dies. Then there's the whole thing about the sects of Christianity. A lot of them believe their way is the right one, while all others are going to hell. Who is right? Who is wrong? What if Hinduism is the only true religion and Christians all go to hell for eating all that beef?
The above is a big part of what set my BS meter off, and I realized, IMO of course, it's all a mechanism to keep us humans from acting like the animals we are.
Yea, buts worse, is his obvious lack of understanding is from an 80s education. Science has moved past those theory's. 30-40 years ago. Quoting Sagan? Yea, 40 years ago. So it's hilarious watching him argue from a place of ignorance, whereas, he accuses the other side of doing save thing.makes me lol each time Crow takes off half a page or an entire page between posts and then slams himself back into the conversation simply to remind all the religious folks just how stupid, wrong, awful, gullible, and senseless they are. It's not that I necessarily agree, but it makes me
This thread may hit 100 pages with that formula holding strong.
lol@highly religious. I doubt either are highly religious, but hey that's just me. Are you insinuating that christian faith made them invade iraq? You might wanna start reading up on the military complex, as it has more say in who we goto war with than the tin man in the oval office.
While both are sorry sob's, millions more died under stallin, so I guess it's all in your perspective of who was worse....
I get it, no matter what I say, you're going to believe that christiannity is the worlds biggest problem.
You'll use the crusades and a few other social topics to justify your hate, all the while you turn a blind eye to the hatred coming from a certain religion that considers you just as much an infidel as they do me.
Here's my final message on the subject
Athiest Christian liberal or conservative, we better find common ground on something and quit hating on one another because this country isn't gonna last with us being as divided as we are.
I agree with you last paragraph. There are a lot of things liberals need to tone down. A LOT. Like... A whole LOT. Just because someone thinks Gay marriage is "weird" or find the gay lifestyle "weird" doesn't mean they are bible thumping gay haters.
Same with conservative Christians too. Blowing up pro gay and pro LBGT news article comment sections with "going to hell" "God will let this country burn" " you will rot in hell" etc isn't exactly helping.
You don't believe and won't believe regardless of what is said on here. Jesus is the most loving entity there has ever been and is now. There are millions upon millions of Christians worldwide. He offers the greatest gift to mankind that can be offered. Eternal life. You can choose to ignore it, mock it, and reject it. It is your choice to do so. There either already has been an opportunity or will be one for you to make that choice. My sincere hope is that you will not turn him away.
People do believe and have believed in Jesus in an uncountable number. You do know that they paid the soldiers at the tomb of Jesus to lie about what happened to his body to try and hinder his believers. A lie that is still being told today and is being believed by folks like you. Won't stop Christianity. Didn't then and it won't now.
There are millions and millions of Muslims, and Buddhists, and Hindus. So not sure what point you were trying to make there. Or were you not trying to make s point?
And yes u didn't answer any of the questions at all. Providing a random account of people at the tomb being paid off... Well..: can you not see the fault in your argument there?
This seems typical though so I don't think you are unintelligent. Just not capable of providing a rational response when provided with an ulterior point of view. It doesn't surprise me that nobody has touch based on my long winded post above.
The discrepancies, hypocrisy, the downright .., not making sense of many Christian beliefs can never be answered by the Christians who hold the belief dear to their heart. It is typically jargon and obscure fodder like you just provided. I ain't mad atcha though. I've grown accustomed to it.
I think the lie, lies with you my friend. I do believe people are starting to catch on (-:
He sure wasn't for secularism. Just trying to point out that correlation doesn't mean causation. And no, I don't think we invaded Iraq over Christianity. That was my point when people bring up the fact that dictators actions aren't because they're Atheist. And no, I don't think Christianity is the biggest problem. I think Islam is.
Tommy DeVito, most Christians CAN'T answer our questions because there really is no answer to be found; therefore they simply base everything on "faith". I suppose I just can't grasp having faith in something like that with no proof, it boggles the mind actually.
However, as I've said, I don't mock them; they are free to believe as they choose.
However, as I've said, I don't mock them; they are free to believe as they choose.
Hahaha! Best post. Funniest thing is I don't think he understands he is the joke heremakes me lol each time Crow takes off half a page or an entire page between posts and then slams himself back into the conversation simply to remind all the religious folks just how stupid, wrong, awful, gullible, and senseless they are. It's not that I necessarily agree, but it makes me
This thread may hit 100 pages with that formula holding strong.
How much more evidence do you need to realize it's a scam, when you throw tithing into the mix?
I'm not mocking anyone, cawood. I'll ask my question again. Why did so very, very few who witnessed the miracles first-hand believe? It was centuries after Jesus died before Christianity started to flourish.
I can't comprehend how people who were born 2000 years after Christ died are so steadfast in their beliefs; when the vast majority of those living and walking the same streets he did, who actually knew him, who either witnessed or heard about his death from actual witnesses, were not.
I can't comprehend how people who were born 2000 years after Christ died are so steadfast in their beliefs; when the vast majority of those living and walking the same streets he did, who actually knew him, who either witnessed or heard about his death from actual witnesses, were not.
There are millions and millions of Muslims, and Buddhists, and Hindus. So not sure what point you were trying to make there. Or were you not trying to make s point?
And yes u didn't answer any of the questions at all. Providing a random account of people at the tomb being paid off... Well..: can you not see the fault in your argument there?
This seems typical though so I don't think you are unintelligent. Just not capable of providing a rational response when provided with an ulterior point of view. It doesn't surprise me that nobody has touch based on my long winded post above.
The discrepancies, hypocrisy, the downright .., not making sense of many Christian beliefs can never be answered by the Christians who hold the belief dear to their heart. It is typically jargon and obscure fodder like you just provided. I ain't mad atcha though. I've grown accustomed to it.
I think the lie, lies with you my friend. I do believe people are starting to catch on (-:
Really not worried how you view what I said. You don't believe so it really won't matter how I say it or what answers I give. I don't need you to believe for me to believe. Doesn't work that way. And I have no idea what you posted or what questions you asked.
It's not the job of Christians to win an argument in order to get you to believe. I would love to speak with everyone in person about the Love of God and his Son Jesus. This is not done debate style. It's done by grace and love. Christ died to save the world. Love conquers hate and death, I know there are folks who are hypocrites. Doesn't mean that everyone is one. There are bad doctors, bad lawyers, etc,. Doesn't mean they all are. All it takes is an open heart and mind.
Thousands did believe. Not sure why you think they didn't. Jesus would have to leave towns because there were so many converts that the local authorities would get upset and want him put in prison because the numbers following him were so large. Also Christ himself only preached and traveled for around 3 years before he was crucified. His disciples had far more time to get the message out to the people. There are recorded instances of thousands following them for hours and days at a time.
So to answer your question, he did have thousands upon thousands to follow him And he tried to keep things quiet at times to allow himself more time to help people and not draw a lot of attention.
I guess we are just on a different wavelength, cawood. I'm talking after the resurrection. The only person in the history of the world is crucified and then resurrected, but 95% of the world's population still didn't join the movement? They just said, meh, no big deal. We don't believe it. Then continued with their current religions like nothing happened.
There is a reason why it isn't done debate style.
Still..no questions answered... "Debate" doesn't have to be negative. They are simply questions that I would assume a Christian could answer. But, yet again... A "beat around the bush" answer is given. I was Christian for many many years...
"Bad doctors and bad lawyers." Yes, you are correct, but these lawyers and doctors didn't create a book, which in turn said believers use this book to diminish others. Which parts of the bible do you believe ? If you believe certain quotes and certain passages, why not all? I'm guessing you don't "believe" every quote or passage as most men would have had to gouge their eyes out for lustinf after a women. I think it's safe to say, you have... And I'm guessing you still have both of your eyes?
Everyone says "well these are extreme Christians" are they though? I mean the bible says... If you lust- gouge your eye out, or if you commit adultery you will burn in the fires of hell. Stone children for being disobedient to their parents, kill infants for the sins of the father, Noah carrying millions of animals in a boat... The List goes on and on and on. So... Do you believe that? Do you believe those to be true? If not then why? And if not, then what makes you believe in the sugary sweet passages in the bible?
Can you explain if God and Jesus are two different people? Or just one? Which do you believe?
I hope you provide some answers... But I am assuming you won't. Not because you don't want to... But because you can't. That's not a bad thing either. No reason to feel silly or anything. I just wish Christians would admit it. Admit that they don't have answers. Which is fine... But it seems ridiculous and unfair, for Christians to want to use their faith when it comes to rights for gays, matters of law etc... For something they can't explain.
How can Christians (and many many many do) (and if you "believe" in the bible... You do) think that so many people are going to hell? Based off their understanding of the bible and what God and Jesus (same person or two different people?) proclaim in the bible yet can't "debate" or provide any type of answer to pressing Inquires. Seems that going to hell to be tortured for eternity is a pretty intense thing. The bible literally promises this. Hell for sinners..: so which sins are they? And if Christians can make this claim (which again- their very bible promises this) then why can't these questions be answered?
I am genuinely asking. Because to me- If you believe certain parts of the bible- then you need to believe all. Did Jesus or God say in the bible "ok I really don't mean this literally, but I mean this literally .... Pay no attention to this passage... But pay attention to this one" are those instructions in the bible? Im guessing not.
So that leads me to believe that it's actually preachers, priests, popes, bishops... Etc that are disecting these passages, and coming up with what THEY think everything means. If that's the case- it's not God or Jesus- it's human man.
How can something as serious as the possibility of having your soul tortured for eternity be so confusing ? Does God really send people to the fires of Hell if they don't accept him as their lord and savior ? Even good people? People who grew up in different countries ? African tribes? Do they go to hell? (Because the bible says they do) if you say "no of course not" then..: why? Why don't they go to hell? You believe in the bible? So why not believe all of it?
******Are you familiar with the acts of the apostles? In there, Peter (as I mentioned above) slandered and berated a man and wife for keeping 2000 dollars, pounds... Whatever from the church when they sold their home for 47,000 instead of the 45,000 in which they admitted. Then "God" dropped them both dead. Right there. ... (This was post resurrection) so.. Jesus died for our sins... Bu The God kills a man and wife for this? Just drops Them both dead right there? In front of everyone ? Do you believe this? Can you explain it? ****
These are the tricky parts. It seems as though Christians want to pick and choose particular parts of the bible and dismiss the rest. And when pressed for answers... They (you) provideobscure and vague responses.
Again, I don't blame you. So don't worry. I don't think less of you or anything... I'm not even sure why I jumped in this thread. I suppose I was hoping that someone with the Christian faith could answer, what seem to be, simple questions about the faith they feel so strongly about.
I guess not.
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I guess I'm supposed to worry if you dont believe what I believe. Your arrogant little slams are weak and show that you truly just want to mock and belittle. Your questions are neither sincere nor new Just rehashed by you from someone you heard say them.. ill..no questions answered..like minded as you doesn't have to negative. They are simply questions that I would assume a Christian could an. Just rehashed by youer. But, yet again... A "beat around the bush" answer is given. I was Chr. tian for many mans...
"Bad doctors and bad lawyers." Yes, you are correct, but these lawyers and doctors didn't create a book, which in turn said believers use this book to diminish others. Which parts of the bible do you believe ? If you believe certain quotes and certain passages, why not all? I'm guessing you don't "believe" every quote or passage as most men would have had to gouge their eyes out for lustinf after a women. I think it's safe to say, you have... And I'm guessing you still have both of your eyes?
Everyone says "well these are extreme Christians" are they though? I mean the bible says... If you lust- gouge your eye out, or if you commit adultery you will burn in the fires of hell. Stone children for being disobedient to their parents, kill infants for the sins of the father, Noah carrying millions of animals in a boat... The List goes on and on and on. So... Do you believe that? Do you believe those to be true? If not then why? And if not, then what makes you believe in the sugary sweet passages in the bible?
Can you explain if God and Jesus are two different people? Or just one? Which do you believe?
I hope you provide some answers... But I am assuming you won't. Not because you don't want to... But because you can't. That's not a bad thing either. No reason to feel silly or anything. I just wish Christians would admit it. Admit that they don't have answers. Which is fine... But it seems ridiculous and unfair, for Christians to want to use their faith when it comes to rights for gays, matters of law etc... For something they can't explain.
How can Christians (and many many many do) (and if you "believe" in the bible... You do) think that so many people are going to hell? Based off their understanding of the bible and what God and Jesus (same person or two different people?) proclaim in the bible yet can't "debate" or provide any type of answer to pressing Inquires. Seems that going to hell to be tortured for eternity is a pretty intense thing. The bible literally promises this. Hell for sinners..: so which sins are they? And if Christians can make this claim (which again- their very bible promises this) then why can't these questions be answered?
I am genuinely asking. Because to me- If you believe certain parts of the bible- then you need to believe all. Did Jesus or God say in the bible "ok I really don't mean this literally, but I mean this literally .... Pay no attention to this passage... But pay attention to this one" are those instructions in the bible? Im guessing not.
So that leads me to believe that it's actually preachers, priests, popes, bishops... Etc that are disecting these passages, and coming up with what THEY think everything means. If that's the case- it's not God or Jesus- it's human man.
How can something as serious as the possibility of having your soul tortured for eternity be so confusing ? Does God really send people to the fires of Hell if they don't accept him as their lord and savior ? Even good people? People who grew up in different countries ? African tribes? Do they go to hell? (Because the bible says they do) if you say "no of course not" then..: why? Why don't they go to hell? You believe in the bible? So why not believe all of it?
******Are you familiar with the acts of the apostles? In there, Peter (as I mentioned above) slandered and berated a man and wife for keeping 2000 dollars, pounds... Whatever from the church when they sold their home for 47,000 instead of the 45,000 in which they admitted. Then "God" dropped them both dead. Right there. ... (This was post resurrection) so.. Jesus died for our sins... Bu The God kills a man and wife for this? Just drops Them both dead right there? In front of everyone ? Do you believe this? Can you explain it? ****
These are the tricky parts. It seems as though Christians want to pick and choose particular parts of the bible and dismiss the rest. And when pressed for answers... They (you) provideobscure and vague responses.
Again, I don't blame you. So don't worry. I don't think less of you or anything... I'm not even sure why I jumped in this thread. I suppose I was hoping that someone with the Christian faith could answer, what seem to be, simple questions about the faith they feel so strongly about.
I guess not.
You are not asking in sincerity but to mock. You feel superior but approval from those likeminded as you is not impressive. There have always been doubters and mockers like you . I am so thankful for my faith and experiences . Some random guy like you just confirms that. You truly dont worry me. you however make me realize how sad times are now especially
